NKorea - "Sanctions a declaration of war"

[lord_spaceman]

OMG! Japan, before NK nukes ur @ss, please send America your developer copy of Pokemon Diamond/Pearl for the Nintendo DS, so they can begin translation and release it to the rest of the world. I need something to play whilst hiding in my bomb shelter.

Thanks

 

[pupa]

I dont see why the US should always be the one country to pay. Why doesnt a country like Saudi Arabia or China speak to these guys and tell them to stop their ****.

Read the news. Did they listen to China at all? Hey No! The guy is as mad as Mugabe or Zuma if not worse!

 

[killadoob]

What a useless post, the USA has one of the largest economy's in the world and is the richest country in the world. Do you really think a bunch of camel toe jockey's gives money to the states?

yes might be camel jockeys but they have got money coming out their assholes

american has nothing on saudi

money wise plz not even a contest

 

[neio]

The states has some of the biggest reserves of oil in the world, once the oil in Saudi dries up where is the world going to get oil from, well good ol uncle Sam of course, but be prepared for some pretty steep prices.

 

[BTTB]

Sanctions mean war - N Korea

Sanctions mean war - N Korea

"We will deliver merciless blows without hesitation to whoever tries to breach our sovereignty and right to survive under the excuse of carrying out the UN security council resolution," a foreign ministry spokesperson said.

Is this guy for real?
Perhaps this spokesperson and Mugabe attended the same school of mentality?

 

[Darth Garth]

China will get rid of Uncle Kim.

 

[icyrus]

China will get rid of Uncle Kim.

Its funny isn't it? His preoccupation with the south has seen massive build up of force along his southern border but the most likely end for him is when china come strolling across the relatively undefended north border.

 

[schitz011]

The states has some of the biggest reserves of oil in the world, once the oil in Saudi dries up where is the world going to get oil from, well good ol uncle Sam of course, but be prepared for some pretty steep prices.

Where do you get this information from? The US' oil consumption far outstrips it's capacity to deliver, hence the interest of the US gvmt in the Middle East. Even if the US wanted to sell oil to the rest of the world, they dont have even enough to keep their own citizens supplied.

The US has reserve supplies, but not trillions of gallons of crude oil to supply the rest of the world with. At this rate they (the US) can never stockpile oil.

US PRODUCTION, early 2002: About 5.9 million barrels of oil per day, plus about 2 million barrels of natural gas liquids and condensate; and 55 billion cubic feet of gas per day. Oil production is a decline from 8-9 million b/d in 1986.Update, 2005: at the end of 2005, US crude oil production stood at 4.86 million b/d, the lowest value in more than 50 years. Imports (10.01 million b/d) amounted to 67% of consumption. As shown in the figure at left, even when US production was at its peak in 1970 (and accounted for more than 40% of all the oil produced in the world), it could not keep up with consumption. Today's 21 million barrels per day consumption FAR outpaces our domestic production of 4.86 million barrels per day. Prudhoe Bay's contribution is shown in red.

Taken from http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html

If the Middle East countries decided to cut off their supply to the west then essentially the west is screwed. If you don;t remember it, read about the 1970's Energy Crisis to see what happens when oil from the arab states stops flowing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

sorry for hi-jacking the thread.

 

[w1z4rd]

America 22 000 nukes.vs North Korea 1 and a 1/2 nukes.

Its really not a hard call people.

 

[chiskop]

America 22 000 nukes.vs North Korea 1 and a 1/2 nukes.

Its really not a hard call people.

Yup, either way South Korea loses.

 

[icyrus]

Where do you get this information from? The US' oil consumption far outstrips it's capacity to deliver, hence the interest of the US gvmt in the Middle East. Even if the US wanted to sell oil to the rest of the world, they dont have even enough to keep their own citizens supplied.

The US has reserve supplies, but not trillions of gallons of crude oil to supply the rest of the world with. At this rate they (the US) can never stockpile oil

Shale oil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_oil#Reserves

At some point it will be economically viable to use those reserves.

 

[vespax]

Shale oil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_oil#Reserves

At some point it will be economically viable to use those reserves.

Does that mean that SA will be a large oil producer in the future as well?

 

[schitz011]

Theres no oil in NK and the US already has military power bases in the East (Japan and SK)

Apart from a little saber rattling, nothing will happen. The US can't just go around invading countries willy nilly forever without reasons and a red under the bed nuke threat isn't really going to wash in this day and age. If NK wants to have nukes then let them, where is it written that only America and it's friends can have them?

Oh and IMHO the US wouldn't nuke NK as the fallout and regional consequences would adversly affect SK and large player in the US' asian influence.

 

[schitz011]

Shale oil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shale_oil#Reserves

At some point it will be economically viable to use those reserves.

Even so, these things take time to set up and develop. Most likely at least a year I would have thought. Say the arabs or a rabs as the yanks call them, stopped exporting oil. I can't see the US/West surviving for 6 months on the stocks available to them that they currently hold.

Every year the worlds energy consumption increases and while oil production also increases, it's not enough to keep up with demand and eventually the knife edge the developed world walks with oil production/consumption will slip and there will be major trouble ahead.

This is the whole problem. Currently the status quo suits everyone reasonably well, oil comes in from arabia and props up US comsumption. The US is dependent on this import. It has the ability to possibly, for a while at least suppliment it's resources with the Canadian shale deposits, but if the arabian oil ceased tomorrow, do you really think that they could get operations up and running (this inludes an already weakened refinery system) to cover the short fall before reserves run out?

As soon as word hit the steets the arabs have stopped supplying oil, there would be panic buying etc depleting reserves even more..

 

[icyrus]

Does that mean that SA will be a large oil producer in the future as well?

If you consider 73 million to be comparable to 3.3 trillion...

Theres no oil in NK and the US already has military power bases in the East (Japan and SK)

Apart from a little saber rattling, nothing will happen. The US can't just go around invading countries willy nilly forever without reasons and a red under the bed nuke threat isn't really going to wash in this day and age. If NK wants to have nukes then let them, where is it written that only America and it's friends can have them?

Oh and IMHO the US wouldn't nuke NK as the fallout and regional consequences would adversly affect SK and large player in the US' asian influence.

Like I said before, NK is no threat at all to the US. The US's involvment in this matter is on behalf of their allies SK and Japan.

 

[icyrus]

Even so, these things take time to set up and develop. Most likely at least a year I would have thought. Say the arabs or a rabs as the yanks call them, stopped exporting oil. I can't see the US/West surviving for 6 months on the stocks available to them that they currently hold.

Every year the worlds energy consumption increases and while oil production also increases, it's not enough to keep up with demand and eventually the knife edge the developed world walks with oil production/consumption will slip and there will be major trouble ahead.

This is the whole problem. Currently the status quo suits everyone reasonably well, oil comes in from arabia and props up US comsumption. The US is dependent on this import. It has the ability to possibly, for a while at least suppliment it's resources with the Canadian shale deposits, but if the arabian oil ceased tomorrow, do you really think that they could get operations up and running (this inludes an already weakened refinery system) to cover the short fall before reserves run out?

As soon as word hit the steets the arabs have stopped supplying oil, there would be panic buying etc depleting reserves even more..

Oil exports being stopped by the arabian countries is not really a situation that will weigh heavily on the minds of those in power in the US for a number of reasons. Mainly the fact that they have a big enough military presence there that it won't happen.

 

[w1z4rd]

Haha. Do you think the oil sheiks would allow the stop of flow of oil? how would they fund their extremists?

If they cant fund the extremists, the people of the middle east might realise they have been fighting a rubbish war, and might want some of the oil money themselves.

The oil wont stop until its finished, otherwise it would have stopped a long time ago.

 

[Leitmotif]

War, war never changes.

The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.

But war never changes.....

In the 21st Century war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium.

For these resources China would invade Alaska. The U.S. would annex Canada. And the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering, nation states bent on controling the last remaining resources on Earth.

In 2077, the storm of World War had come again. In two brief hours most of the planet was reduced to cinders.

Prophetic, almost

 

[schitz011]

Mainly the fact that they have a big enough military presence there that it won't happen.

Thats exactly why they have a presence there. It's not about terrorism or WMD or any other reason aside from controlling the oil. The US knows oil is it's achellies heel and thats why they invaded Iraq, Afghanistan etc..

I doubt very much that the arabs would stop the oil, but the ability is still there after all. If I were in charge of the US military/industrial complex I would be very concerned that my number one supplier wasn't myself.

 

[killadoob]

yes well bush has to do something fast he running outta time

last 2 years of his presidency wont be a powerful one if the other party gets alot of seats

i dont see the problem with NK testing nukes?
did ppl want to attack the US when they did it?

why doesnt the world worry about bushes 22000 nukes?

surely north korea wouldnt drop a nuke on anyone because the US will destroy them before they can say motherfuqer

very stragne this whole thing

2 presidents who want war

well now they got it