No Admission of Guilt speeding fine, how screwed am I?

[Nuklear]

I recently received a first notice informing me that my vehicle had been photographed going at 101km/h in a 60 urban zone. It states that no admission of guilt is possible and I will be issued with a summons.

Has anybody had any experiences in this regard? I can't for the life of me think why I would be going that fast in that area, and there is another car right next to mine in the picture that was supplied, not sure if thats relevant.

As I said, I have not yet received any summons, but would appreciate any information regarding how to proceed in this matter. Would it be a matter of appearing in court, stating my remorsefulness and paying a fine, or would I be best served by taking up legal council? Additionally, would there be a potential criminal record arising from this?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, as I am stressing balls.

 

[Mavix]

I recently received a first notice informing me that my vehicle had been photographed going at 101km/h in a 60 urban zone. It states that no admission of guilt is possible and I will be issued with a summons.

Has anybody had any experiences in this regard? I can't for the life of me think why I would be going that fast in that area, and there is another car right next to mine in the picture that was supplied, not sure if thats relevant.

As I said, I have not yet received any summons, but would appreciate any information regarding how to proceed in this matter. Would it be a matter of appearing in court, stating my remorsefulness and paying a fine, or would I be best served by taking up legal council? Additionally, would there be a potential criminal record arising from this?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, as I am stressing balls.

AFAIK if there's another car in the picture then it can't be used and the fine is void, but I'm not sure how true this is.

 

[Hemi300c]

AFAIK if there's another car in the picture then it can't be used and the fine is void, but I'm not sure how true this is.

I think you are right

 

[Vegeta]

No summons no worries

 

[Beachless]

Is there a crosshair of any sort on the photo? But usually if there is another car in the photo its invalid.

 

[unskinnybob]

Wait for a hand delivered summons.

 

[Nuklear]

Is there a crosshair of any sort on the photo? But usually if there is another car in the photo its invalid.

I'm the one on the left, no crosshairs that I can see. I've read that they are invalid unless there are lane specific sensors. Not sure if thats the case here or not.

The idea of me going over 100 on that stretch of road is baffling to me, but I guess being baffled can't be convincingly submitted as evidence :/

Anybody have any experience with stuff like this?

 

[AchmatK]

That looks like permanently mounted cameras at a traffic light in which case they would have lane specific sensors to trap both cars jumping the red light or speeding in a particular lane.

 

[Swa]

As far as I can tell that fine isn't valid. Take it to the traffic department for them to cancel it.

 

[ChocolateBadger]

Well.... If you were on aarto then no worries but I see you're at the coast so just wait for the Sheriff, visit the court and apologise like mad. Btw you were 1km/h away from being able to pay a fine. +40km/h over the speed limit should mean a summons but they sometimes just hand out a big fine.

 

[adsl2]

Well.... If you were on aarto then no worries but I see you're at the coast so just wait for the Sheriff, visit the court and apologise like mad. Btw you're were 1km/h away from being able to pay a fine. +40km/h over the speed limit should mean a summons but they sometimes just hand out a big fine.

Isn't is 30km/h for urban areas and 40km/h for highways?

 

[Nuklear]

As far as I can tell that fine isn't valid. Take it to the traffic department for them to cancel it.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Based on the fact that there are more than one car? Also, as signates just pointed out, do you think it make a difference that it was a fixed camera and not a handheld one?

 

[Nuklear]

Isn't is 30km/h for urban areas and 40km/h for highways?

As far as I know, according to my research (of which I have been doing a lot of this afternoon), its 30km/h over for urban areas. So yeah, bit of a stuff up.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Is the speed on that sign obscured in the original or did you do that?

It's a static camera so it will have lane markers in.

If that speed limit sign wasn't showing you could argue that you didn't know what the speed limit was and drove appropriately as per conditions.

You shouldn't have a problem either way, but might be looking at a big fine.

Wait for a proper summons regardless.

 

[Swa]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Based on the fact that there are more than one car? Also, as signates just pointed out, do you think it make a difference that it was a fixed camera and not a handheld one?

Applies to both fixed and handheld. Also equipment must be calibrated correctly and licensed.

 

[ld13]

Where does this 'more than one car in the photo' defense come from? Sure, if the other car is obscuring your car in any way that is another story...

 

[Swa]

Where does this 'more than one car in the photo' defense come from? Sure, if the other car is obscuring your car in any way that is another story...

The law?

 

[Nuklear]

Where does this 'more than one car in the photo' defense come from? Sure, if the other car is obscuring your car in any way that is another story...

Taken from "the PROSECUTING GUIDELINES FOR SPEED MEASURING EQUIPMENT [SME] AND TRAFFIC LIGHT VIOLATION MONITORING EQUIPMENT"

"If two or more vehicles are in the measurement area between the sensor lines at the same time, the measurement is to be rejected, except on the case of lane specific sensors."

Like I said, research.

 

[Arthur]

If you go to court, remember you have the right to cross-examine the traffic officials. Ask them for all the relevant technical details, such as exactly how the machine resolves to your car only, who calibrated the equipment and when, when was it last serviced/checked, etc. Ask them to produce the qualifications/certifications of the calibrator and operator (actual docs, not verbal claims), a copy of the cam's service log, and so on. If they can't, the magistrate will throw it out.

 

[DramBuddy]

Here's a pic of me doing 190km/h in a 60km/h zone. Still waiting for a summons.