No decision to prosecute Malema yet - NPA

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The National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) has failed to meet the deadline for its decision on whether it will prosecute EFF leader Julius Malema for an old matter relating to a contract with On-Point Engineering.

The NPA initially said it would make a decision on or before August 18.

But NPA spokesperson Luvuyo Mfaku told News24 on Wednesday that the Hawks were still investigating the matter.
More at : https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/no-decision-to-prosecute-malema-yet-npa-20181010
 

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The EFF is just a front. They are the shock troops of the ANC.
Being another party is just a ruse.
Nothing will happen to them because they will merge back into the ANC after the elections.
I tend to agree - its the same holding company but a different brand - it's the Auto&General of the political world
 

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The EFF is just a front. They are the shock troops of the ANC.
Being another party is just a ruse.
Nothing will happen to them because they will merge back into the ANC after the elections.
They are not a front at all. Not sure how you read into this. The ANC and EFF are ideologically completely different. Malema was also very publicly rejected by the ANC when Zuma was in power. This move would outrage many voters on both ends, and will ultimately drive away voters from the ANC.

It does not make sense politically whatsoever.

This can however be applied to BLF I think as are they are an offshoot of those questionable politicians within the ANC.
 

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They are not a front at all. Not sure how you read into this. The ANC and EFF are ideologically completely different.
They're not that different, one is pretty-far left, the other radical/extreme left.

I don't think they're an ANC front, but I won't actually be surprised either way. The ANC has always wanted to implement more extreme policies and only stopped short because of opposition and/or public opinion at times. The EFF speak of the exact same extreme policies, they just have no regard for other opinions.
 

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They're not that different, one is pretty-far left, the other radical/extreme left.

I don't think they're an ANC front, but I won't actually be surprised either way. The ANC has always wanted to implement more extreme policies and only stopped short because of opposition and/or public opinion at times. The EFF speak of the exact same extreme policies, they just have no regard for other opinions.
Actually the correct ending is "they just have nothing to lose and everything to gain"..
 

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Actually the correct ending is "they just have nothing to lose and everything to gain"..
Indeed, either way, that is the reason why people think they may just be an ANC front. Like the EFF is a beta test for the ANC 2.0, they try radical ideas and if people hate it, no damage done to the ANC, if people like it, the ANC adopts it.
 

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They are not a front at all. Not sure how you read into this. The ANC and EFF are ideologically completely different. Malema was also very publicly rejected by the ANC when Zuma was in power. This move would outrage many voters on both ends, and will ultimately drive away voters from the ANC.

It does not make sense politically whatsoever.

This can however be applied to BLF I think as are they are an offshoot of those questionable politicians within the ANC.
They share common roots; socialism.

The EFF is a lot more radical but the ANC has already ''adopted'' many of these radical issues and agendas pushed by the EFF, starting with fees must fall and EWC. The ANC isn't actually doing anything to take power away from the EFF by improving the country, they're pursuing the destructive ideas the EFF advocates. As the country deteriorates further in lieu of this, the EFF will grow even stronger and more vocal and the ANC will become even more radical to head them off. Eventually we'll be at a point where they are basically the same party.
 

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They share common roots; socialism.

The EFF is a lot more radical but the ANC has already ''adopted'' many of these radical issues and agendas pushed by the EFF, starting with fees must fall and EWC. The ANC isn't actually doing anything to take power away from the EFF by improving the country, they're pursuing the destructive ideas the EFF advocates. As the country deteriorates further in lieu of this, the EFF will grow even stronger and more vocal and the ANC will become even more radical to head them off. Eventually we'll be at a point where they are basically the same party.
I think you should go read the EFF manifesto in full. The views in terms of implementation between the two parties differ completely.

The ANC has not adopted any of the radical EFF policies. Zuma made a unilateral decision on paying for tertiary education which he saw as a potential saving grace, and something that could redeem his legacy.

The recent policy announcements made by CR are at complete odds in terms of what the EFF want.

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I think it is important you understand the difference. The ANC want to adopt socialist policies which are underpinned by a free market. The EFF want to have the State control ALL means of production.

Yes, there are elements of Socialism in both parties, but there are very large differentiating views on the extent and implementation.
 
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I think you should go read the EFF manifesto in full. The views in terms of implementation between the two parties differ completely.

The ANC has not adopted any of the radical EFF policies. Zuma made a unilateral decision on paying for which he saw as a potential saving grace, and something that could redeem his legacy.

The recent policy announcements made by CR are at complete odds in terms of what the EFF want.
My view is that there is no fundamental ideological differences [between the ANC and EFF]. I think at some point the roads will again converge,” [Ronald] Lamola said.

“In terms of policies – for example, the land issue – there was some convergence, but there will still be some tactical and strategic differences, which I think it is what we are currently dealing with.”
Lamola is currently an ANC MEC and the former DP of the Youth League, the same organisation that gave us Malema, and he is a part of the next generation of ANC cadres.

It doesn't matter that the finer details may differ, what matters is that it is EWC is being adopted and this is a radical left idea. Look at one of the new ideas they are exploring; price ceiling on fuel. Price controls are as left as you can go and goes completely against the free market.

The ANC isn't moving in the opposite direction, its moving in the same direction.

They don't have to be reading from the same book but the reality is they are getting their books from the same library.
 
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As I said, they share common roots.

It doesn't matter that the finer details may differ, what matters is that it is EWC is being adopted and this is a radical left idea.
ANC = Very Liberal policies akin to Scandinavian type countries
EFF = USSR

I wouldn't say those are finer details.

You do understand that the EFF want to expropriate all private property, including ALL major generators of wealth, turn them into state entities, and the State becomes the primary employer of people in SA?

Here you go. It is a bit long, but a very interesting read. Please, go ahead and try understand the core differences between then two instead of making sweeping generalizations.

https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/35f96d_0c6deeaafc3a445584c774c170d24641.pdf
 

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ANC = Very Liberal policies akin to Scandinavian type countries
EFF = USSR

I wouldn't say those are finer details.

You do understand that the EFF want to expropriate all private property, including ALL major generators of wealth, turn them into state entities, and the State becomes the primary employer of people in SA?
Is EWC a radical leftist policy or not?

Whether the state takes land for itself or takes it for someone else is irrelevant, both trample all over private property rights and spit in the face of willing buyer-willing seller.

Look at 'Radical Economic Transformation' (CR still talks about this) where the ANC foresees government guiding the economy, increasing the role played by SOEs and expanding the public sector. A more nefarious implication of this is the forced compliance of the private sector. This is most certainly not associated with liberal policy.
 
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