Non-Vaccination brag thread

[buka001]

err, without the vaccine they had a 90% plus chance of not being there already and a 98% chance of not dying

the vaccine improves that with another 5% or so and 1% respectively

you could argue "avoidable cost" for a great many things:
- drug or alcohol related incidents
- AIDS related problems
- even heart attacks due to high cholesterol
- many car accidents in fact are avoidable
- failed suicides

shall we go and chuck all those people out of hospital due to the "drain" on resources?
shall we ban them from sport events? from having jobs?

Show me you don't understand vaccine efficacy, without telling me you don't understand vaccine efficacy.

Lol, thank you for this post, it makes it very clear why you hold the position on vaccines that you do.

 

[Venator]

Show me you don't understand vaccine efficacy, without telling me you don't understand vaccine efficacy.

Lol, thank you for this post, it makes it very clear why you hold the position on vaccines that you do.

This is what happens when you have an education system with appallingly low passing requirements.....you get people with math and reasoning skills so insufficient, they're unequipped to effectively assess reality.

 

[SoldierMan]

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Calm down, Karen.

More importantly, go read that Bible you so often like to bring up.

Romans 13:1-2: "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

Oh dear..hows that "mark of the beast" horsecrap looking now?

You have just signed away your right to do with your body as you see fit to the government no matter what little argument you quote, and you know it. That's why you couldn't actually make your own argument and had to use a quote from some fallacy. It's game over for you mandate boys.

As for Romans, it is within reason, when that government is good and governs fairly. The rest of the Bible clearly details what you should do, including not taking the mark of the beast.

 

[Zukat]

Once again, because you might be occupying a hospital bed, just because you were selfish and wouldn't vaccinate, that would have been free for me if I had a road accident.

As you know road accidents are a higher death threat than covid, so don't be selfish and stay at home till the government comes up with a plan to protect you buddy.

 

[Zukat]

So this informatic from Groote Schuur, verified by the UCT Faculty of Medicine, has nothing to do with medicine and the stats derived from that medicine then? I post it again so you don't have to page back looking for it. Please tell me what it tells you and what factors they haven't mentioned:

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How many times are you going to repost this? I don't care about the effect of the vaccine on covid hospitalizations, I care about the long-term effect of all these short-term study shots on my health, and please don't bring FDA here, we know how that played out multiple times in the past already...

 

[kolaval]

 

[Venator]

As you know road accidents are a higher death threat than covid, so don't be selfish and stay at home till the government comes up with a plan to protect you buddy.

Road traffic injuries

WHO fact sheet on road traffic injuries providing key facts and information on who is at risk, drink driving, motor cycle helmets, seat belts and child restraints, WHO response. Updated September 2012

www.who.int

From March 2020 until now (18 months) there have been roughly 4.5 million Covid deaths, whereas road accidents claim roughly 2 million lives over 18 months.

Please show your working to illustrate why you say "road accidents are a higher death threat than covid".

 

[Venator]

You have just signed away your right to do with your body as you see fit to the government no matter what little argument you quote, and you know it. That's why you couldn't actually make your own argument and had to use a quote from some fallacy. It's game over for you mandate boys.

As for Romans, it is within reason, when that government is good and governs fairly. The rest of the Bible clearly details what you should do, including not taking the mark of the beast.

Yes, you're right, the rest of the Bible certainly does detail what you should do. Some of my favourite highlights include:

• Being allowed to own slaves, beat them, and pass them down to your children.
• Being allowed to sell your daughter into slavery to settle a debt
• That if a woman is raped, she should marry her attacker
• Disobedient children should be stoned to death
• Women may not hold any authority over any man

So, in summary, I suggest that you use a source containing less racism and misogyny.

 

[SoldierMan]

Yes, you're right, the rest of the Bible certainly does detail what you should do. Some of my favourite highlights include:

• Being allowed to own slaves, beat them, and pass them down to your children.
• Being allowed to sell your daughter into slavery to settle a debt
• That if a woman is raped, she should marry her attacker
• Disobedient children should be stoned to death
• Women may not hold any authority over any man

So, in summary, I suggest that you use a source containing less racism and misogyny.

You still signed your body over to the government to do as they please when any new vaccine/drug comes along that they feel you need to take for the "greater good". Let that sink in.

 

[Venator]

You still signed your body over to the government to do as they please when any new vaccine/drug comes along that they feel you need to take for the "greater good". Let that sink in.

I'll be sure to turn the other cheek.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Show me you don't understand vaccine efficacy, without telling me you don't understand vaccine efficacy

Right back at you, you cannot attribute a (for example) 99% survival rate of the vaccinated to a vaccine when the disease itself has a 98% survival rate.

If efficacy figures are not adjusted for that factor at the very least then they mean nothing. Pfizer's own 6 month study they published made exactly that mistake: neither the control group nor the vaxxed group were tested for covid at the start of the study, and they ended up giving the control group the vaccine prior to the end of the study, you can deduce precisely f-all of value from a study that flawed.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You still think you're a senior in the army... isn't that a bit dangerous..

Your only contribution to the thread is a comment on my past? No other argument at all?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

YOu've nOT AcCounTEd for aLL thE FaCtoRS!

Ok, which factors?

ThE FACtOrs!

Such as what?

OmG arE yOu StUpiD? The FacToRS! ALL oF tHE FaCTors!

Perhaps, but you'll have to illustrate which ones and what their relevance is.

AHhhHH iF yOU Don'T aLReaDY kNow tHeN I'm nOt gOIng tO waSTe mY tImE!

Did you notice @NarrowBandFtw thought you were having a go at me and supplied a laughing emoji?...

 

[Brian_G]

Your only contribution to the thread is a comment on my past? No other argument at all?

Lol, you're not going to drag me back in that easily. Comment about your present actually.

...made exactly that mistake...

Amazing how many convenient mistakes keep popping up...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

err, without the vaccine they had a 90% plus chance of not being there already and a 98% chance of not dying

Is that why the hospital admissions for Covid look this? I'm supplying it again because you don't seem to be able to interpret the significance at all:...

 

[lumeer]

Right back at you, you cannot attribute a (for example) 99% survival rate of the vaccinated to a vaccine when the disease itself has a 98% survival rate.

If efficacy figures are not adjusted for that factor at the very least then they mean nothing. Pfizer's own 6 month study they published made exactly that mistake: neither the control group nor the vaxxed group were tested for covid at the start of the study, and they ended up giving the control group the vaccine prior to the end of the study, you can deduce precisely f-all of value from a study that flawed.

The death rate in the vaccinated group was 4% that of the unvaccinated group and the figure reached statistical significance.

The fact that participants were not tested before the study is not an error. The study was meant to test vaccine efficacy in the population in general, not only in people who hadn't had Covid before.

Subjects in the control group were given vaccines *after* the data began showing a protective effect from the vaccines. This is common practice in clinical trials because it is unethical to deny the control group effective treatment once the data establishes this fact.

 

[lumeer]

Amazing how many convenient mistakes keep popping up...

Those were not mistakes.

 

[noxibox]

This is what happens when you have an education system with appallingly low passing requirements.....you get people with math and reasoning skills so insufficient, they're unequipped to effectively assess reality.

Although much fuss is made about the pass mark it isn't significantly different to what it was in the 1970s.

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Having seen how people in poorer areas cross the road - essentially run across and hope nothing hits you - I'm not particularly surprised at how many pedestrians get run over in South Africa. And that's only talking about normal urban and suburban roads, never mind idiots who attempt to dash across a motorway where cars are travelling at 120kph.

South Africa's roads are pretty sane compared to some countries though.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

As for Romans, it is within reason, when that government is good and governs fairly. The rest of the Bible clearly details what you should do, including not taking the mark of the beast.

The vaccine is now the mark of the beast? Amazing how it changes over time to whatever suits the Christian narrative.

Do you have an ID document? Your entire life is linked to that. Your passport, tax, marriage, birth, divorce, bank account, tax number, rates, property deeds, driver's licence, car registration, insurance and anything else you can think of including the vaccine now is linked to your ID number. Wouldn't you be overlooking the obvious as a mark of the beast?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

As you know road accidents are a higher death threat than covid, so don't be selfish and stay at home till the government comes up with a plan to protect you buddy.

Yes, except I can get into hospital bed that isn't occupied by a selfish anti vaxxer that wouldn't have been admitted had they vaxxed.