Non-Vaccination brag thread

[tetrasect]

You have nothing to be concerned about... until you try to infringe upon my liberties...
In the event that you choose to do (i.e. infringe on my liberties)... then you'll deserve it.

What liberties are being infringed upon?

 

[menticide]

A bit lower? Out of roughly a billion cases of flu each year, there are up to about 650,000 deaths. That's a fatality rate of just 0.065%. That's 3000% lower than for covid.

No other flu season has been as critically monitored like COVID; and neither were any hospitals during a prior flu season incentivised to record deaths as COVID -- whether you agree with this or not; this will by many reports result in inaccurate reporting of deaths as caused by COVID, when they clearly were not.

The only way to get a clear picture of the true extent of COVID is to avoid all the panic porn hysterical reporting; and instead compare all causes deaths for prior years to 2020; and then 2021 when the CDC publishes a provisional figure for that.

Here is a graph of the deaths per 1000 people in the US between the 1950s to 2019; I have included for comparison the graphed ratios for the years 1976, 1990, 2018, 2019 as comparison to the provisional data the CDC has published for 2020.

As you should clearly note; the deaths per 1000 for 2020 is lower than both 2019 and 2018, and most certainly not as high as the 1976 figure; and as you can see that's no where as high as it was in the 1950s when it was well above 9.5



The information for this is available at the following url:

U.S. Death Rate 1950-2022

Chart and table of the U.S. death rate from 1950 to 2022. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

Note:
The macrotrends site has clearly stated that "All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus."; hence the comparative information I have used for 2020 for the US is the provisional figures that the CDC has published on its site; the link for that can be found below:

Provisional data for 2020 from the CDC

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death

www.cdc.gov

What you should also note; is that the CDC also has positioned COVID as the third leading cause of death in the US; behind Cancer and Heart Disease.

Heart disease is however still double the mortality attributed to COVID; and we know those COVID figures are inaccurate; but that's what happens when hospitals are financially rewarded for each COVID case they report. This leading causal data should be compared to prior years e.g. 2019 and 2018; as that would reveal any major discrepancies with under reporting of heart disease, or any other major causal factors.

Dying with COVID unfortunately is too often wrongly reported as dying from COVID -- which only has overfed the panic porn industry and their consumers.

 

[noxibox]

A bit lower? Out of roughly a billion cases of flu each year, there are up to about 650,000 deaths. That's a fatality rate of just 0.065%. That's 3000% lower than for covid.

The fatality rate of COVID-19 is nowhere near 1.95%. Nice try using confirmed cases and comparing against estimated cases for influenza. No surprise though as using estimated cases for COVID-19 tends to drive the fatality rate way down. I'd rather stick to reality and don't find the need to exaggerate the fatality rate of COVID-19.

 

[menticide]

What liberties are being infringed upon?

Freedom of movement, freedom to trade, freedom from the unjustifiable rules of an oppressive government, freedom to make decisions on how best to protect the health of my family and me, freedom to travel, freedom to visit friends and family, religious freedom, freedom to express my opinions even if that goes against what our oppressive government declares, etc.

 

[menticide]

Your point?

Try reading.. or is comprehension your problem.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

The fatality rate of COVID-19 is nowhere near 1.95%. Nice try using confirmed cases and comparing against estimated cases for influenza. No surprise though as using estimated cases for COVID-19 tends to drive the fatality rate way down. I'd rather stick to reality and don't find the need to exaggerate the fatality rate of COVID-19.

Substantiation for your assertion please?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Freedom of movement, freedom to trade, freedom from the unjustifiable rules of an oppressive government, freedom to make decisions on how best to protect the health of my family and me, freedom to travel, freedom to visit friends and family, religious freedom, freedom to express my opinions even if that goes against what our oppressive government declares, etc.

All those are already limited. how is a vaccine going to affect them?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Try reading.. or is comprehension your problem.

Ah, the ad hominem attack. The sign of the lost argument.

 

[Cray]

Freedom of movement, freedom to trade, freedom from the unjustifiable rules of an oppressive government, freedom to make decisions on how best to protect the health of my family and me, freedom to travel

Passports and visa requirements have always been a thing, this is nothing new....

, freedom to visit friends and family, religious freedom, freedom to express my opinions even if that goes against what our oppressive government declares, etc.

You are currently posting on an open forum about your ideas, how is your freedom to express yourself being infringed?

 

[tetrasect]

Freedom of movement,

So without the vaccine you can't move?

freedom to trade,

So without the vaccine you can't trade?

freedom from the unjustifiable rules of an oppressive government,

That's just plain BS

freedom to make decisions on how best to protect the health of my family and me,

You still have that freedom.

freedom to travel,

You don't need to be vaccinated to travel locally and if you're talking international then sorry to break this to you but most countries will not allow SA citizens in freely, with or without a vaccine. Besides that, vaccine requirements for international travel have existed for decades, so stop crying over spilled milk.

freedom to visit friends and family,

So without the vaccine you can't visit friends and family?

religious freedom,

So without the vaccine you can't believe in your sky fairy anymore?

freedom to express my opinions even if that goes against what our oppressive government declares, etc.

So without the vaccine you are not allowed to speak your mind?

Sorry but every single thing on your list is BS.

Stop with your fantasies and get real.

 

[menticide]

Passports and visa requirements have always been a thing, this is nothing new....


You are currently posting on an open forum about your ideas, how is your freedom to express yourself being infringed?

Passports and visa requirements have always been a thing, this is nothing new....


You are currently posting on an open forum about your ideas, how is your freedom to express yourself being infringed?

Disaster Management Act 2002 was published in the Government Gazette. Under section 11(5) of the regulations, it becomes an offence to publish a statement through any medium with the intention to deceive about Covid-19, anyone’s Covid-19 infection status or government measures to address the pandemic. The penalty is a fine or imprisonment for six months, or both.

Now ask yourself who gets to decide... this is the same liberty infringement as "hate speech"; another fallacious pursuit that's also opinion based; what stops those who get to decide from declaring everything they oppose as deceptive or "hate speech"?

 

[Cray]

Now ask yourself who gets to decide... this is the same liberty infringement as "hate speech"; another fallacious pursuit that's also opinion based; what stops those who get to decide from declaring everything they oppose as deceptive or "hate speech"?

Are you one of those people who believes in absolute freedom of speech, that you should be allowed to shout "fire" in a crowded movie theatre without consequence? Do you think you should have the right to be intentionally deceitful about Covid-19 during a worldwide pandemic?

 

[menticide]

So without the vaccine you can't move?

So without the vaccine you can't trade?

That's just plain BS

You still have that freedom.

You don't need to be vaccinated to travel locally and if you're talking international then sorry to break this to you but most countries will not allow SA citizens in freely, with or without a vaccine. Besides that, vaccine requirements for international travel have existed for decades, so stop crying over spilled milk.

So without the vaccine you can't visit friends and family?

So without the vaccine you can't believe in your sky fairy anymore?

So without the vaccine you are not allowed to speak your mind?

Sorry but every single thing on your list is BS.

Stop with your fantasies and get real.

Lockdowns, curfews, businesses prohibited from trading, churches prohibited from services, masking requirement, hand washing, temperatures, etc.
Also see my previous reply to @Cray

 

[LCBXX]

The suburbanites who wanted to get a covid vaccine, have it already and are just pissed off at the other, minority, suburbanites who don't want to get vaccinated because they cannot deal with acknowledging the elephant in the room:
80% of South Africans still aren't vaccinated.
They don't live in suburbia.
They live in "super-spreader" circumstances.
And they're being deafened by election promises.

 

[Cray]

Lockdowns, curfews, businesses prohibited from trading, churches prohibited from services, masking requirement, hand washing, temperatures, etc.

Is that really the hill you want to die on, hand washing?

 

[tetrasect]

Lockdowns, curfews, businesses prohibited from trading, churches prohibited from services, masking requirement, hand washing, temperatures, etc.
Also see my previous reply to @Cray

What has that got to do with vaccines? You're shifting goalposts from vaccines to lockdowns.

 

[Ragnarök]

Believe him or don't , just some alternative news that don't follow the narrative

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1446468648256917506

 

[menticide]

Are you one of those people who believes in absolute freedom of speech, that you should be allowed to shout "fire" in a crowded movie theatre without consequence? Do you think you should have the right to be intentionally deceitful about Covid-19 during a worldwide pandemic?

Don't be stupid... even America has those scenarios covered -- I suggest you read their 1st amendment.
And yes; free speech is absolute except for those scenarios -- the most important test of free speech is the ability to insult / offend anyone at any time (incl. government). SA fails that test; hence SA has no free speech.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Now ask yourself who gets to decide... this is the same liberty infringement as "hate speech"; another fallacious pursuit that's also opinion based; what stops those who get to decide from declaring everything they oppose as deceptive or "hate speech"?

This thread is about the Covid vaccination. If you want to discuss the freedoms or lack of those that ail you, I suggest you open a thread for them. Comparing them to the vaccine is dishonest and disingenuous.

 

[tetrasect]

Believe him or don't , just some alternative news that don't follow the narrative

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1446468648256917506

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Those are the people that made millions off of hydroxychloroquine and IVM prescriptions. No surprise they are still doing their grift.