Non-Vaccination brag thread

[menticide]

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Correct.

 

[menticide]

Yes, I'm sure the regulations which require surgeons to wash up before performing surgery, or kitchen staff before handling food, is all just a massive, massive load of hoaxy crap.

Mmmhh I'm gobsmacked that you think e.g. some fat dude washing his hands at a grocery store is somehow equivalent to a surgeon going into surgery, or even the same as kitchen staff who prepare food for public consumption.

You do also understand that e.g. gloves used in the food industry are known to be problematic; because unless they're changed very very very frequently they can be the source of cross contamination; it's why many in the meat trade do not wear gloves. The same applies to smearing alcohol based lotion on some fat dudes hands... where are the hand police to follow the fat dude around as he scratches his arse and balls, then his face, and finally man handles the steak, just before you buy it.

One of the biggest known vectors for COVID and flu infection is touching your face; i.e. from the fat guy's arse to the steak in the store, from the steak to your hands and from your hands to your face when you scratch your itchy nose.

 

[Venator]

 

[pinball wizard]

Do you think you should have the right to be intentionally deceitful about Covid-19 during a worldwide pandemic?

Yes.

 

[Cray]

Yes.

And if people die as a result of believing your intentional misinformation, yeah, sorry, you lost me there.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Speaking of being deceitful about Covid numbers.
Do you know that the US changed the definition of what is listed as cause of death just for Covid-19?

For instance in just one example, in the past Covid deaths would have been 9,000, now they are 161,000!

They are listing gun shot wounds and car accidents now as Covid-19 deaths. Wonder why they would do that.....

It's in the documentary Covidland, where doctors and nurses talk about the madness that is being handed down from on high with regards to when Covid is listed as cause of death and how they treat patients.

You make a claim with no references at all...

Can you give a reference for the criteria for Covid deaths and when the US changed the criteria? First fact check the site you're going to use as well. Not another tin foil hat conspiracy theory site please.

 

[pinball wizard]

And if people die as a result of believing your intentional misinformation, yeah, sorry, you lost me there.

If you intentionally deceive and people die, you should suffer the socially accepted consequences of your actions.

It's a pretty simple concept really. Banning things because they "might" happen is simply not the answer.

I get that you goose-stepping brown shirts don't understand the principle involved, but that's ok. Legislate your way to doom if you must.

 

[Venator]

You make a claim with no references at all...

Can you give a reference for the criteria for Covid deaths and when the US changed the criteria? First fact check the site you're going to use as well. Not another tin foil hat conspiracy theory site please.

Unfortunately, the nature of conspiracy theories is that any evidence you provide to refute it will then only be used as evidence that the "truth" is being covered up.
I had a discussion with a guy a few days ago about the number of doses administered and the few cases reported via VAERS. His reply? "Those are just the numbers they want you to see".

Well, ok then.

 

[tetrasect]

You make a claim with no references at all...

Can you give a reference for the criteria for Covid deaths and when the US changed the criteria? First fact check the site you're going to use as well. Not another tin foil hat conspiracy theory site please.

He did reference the source, it's "Covidland", brought to you by Alex "they're eating our babies" Jones.

 

[greg0205]

Don't be stupid... even America has those scenarios covered -- I suggest you read their 1st amendment.
And yes; free speech is absolute except for those scenarios -- the most important test of free speech is the ability to insult / offend anyone at any time (incl. government). SA fails that test; hence SA has no free speech.

Adam Catzavelos, is that you?

 

[Cray]

If you intentionally deceive and people die, you should suffer the socially accepted consequences of your actions.

Like paying a fine and being put in jail, cool I agree.

It's a pretty simple concept really. Banning things because they "might" happen is simply not the answer.

I get that you goose-stepping brown shirts don't understand the principle involved, but that's ok. Legislate your way to doom if you must.

LOL okay, no one is suggesting a literal muzzle, you are welcome to say all the stupid sh*t you want just don't moan when there are consequences for doing it.

 

[menticide]

Adam Catzavelos, is that you?

Nope... but that's a perfect example that SA doesn't have free speech.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

So in your opinion every other nation that took despotic measures are stupid. Whew... you really are clutching at straws. The stupid one is the person that thinks lockdowns, masking and hand washing made any difference to COVID; especially in SA -- the same goes for the liquor and cigarette bans, etc.

Little was known at the start of the pandemic. And if the entire world had stuck to the initial hard lockdown, the virus would have been beaten. But no, we have - muh freedums! And then those who are not at all medically qualified that know more than the medical profession.

Rubbish; there is no social contract for the government to be in charge of my health... that's a step too far... proven by the fact that these morons thought is was sensible to lock up the healthy people, to mask the healthy, etc...

So the entire world can do away with all the police, military and social security systems then? We can have the unqualified likes of you making all the decisions?

Don't get me started on the vote --- you're naive if you think SA is a democracy where voting matters; nope it's a mobocracy; 27 years has more than proven that; and mobocracies are indistinguishable from totalitarianism.

Suggest you open a thread for this if you want to rant. I'm not going off at the tangent you want me to. The philosophy section is where you want to be.

Where does it say in the scientific method that skepticism requires xxx qualification... anybody can be a skeptic; just as any scientist can be wrong. Only a fool would try to reason that anyone on this forum or any other is not permitted to be skeptical about a topic if they don't have xxx credentials -- that's the petty idiocy of politics -- real science encourages skepticism from all spheres of society.

How are you going to credibly demonstrate your scepticism with no scientific qualifications behind you? Who is going to believe you? The scientists have already used scepticism to try to disprove their peer reviewed and published findings. That's how science works.

You're unqualified to be sceptic regarding science.

 

[tetrasect]

If you intentionally deceive and people die, you should suffer the socially accepted consequences of your actions.

It's a pretty simple concept really. Banning things because they "might" happen is simply not the answer.

I get that you goose-stepping brown shirts don't understand the principle involved, but that's ok. Legislate your way to doom if you must.

So you should be legally allowed convince a little kid to jump off a bridge and kill themselves by telling them there's an invisible net at the bottom that will catch them? And then suffer no consequences other than people hating you?

You should really think some of your ideas through.

 

[menticide]

Like paying a fine and being put in jail, cool I agree.


LOL okay, no one is suggesting a literal muzzle, you are welcome to say all the stupid sh*t you want just don't moan when there are consequences for doing it.

...but the ANC did effect an actual muzzle in the legal sense. By that measure whatever they deem to be deceitful on this forum re COVID could result in a fine or imprisonment or both.

Disaster Management Act 2002 was published in the Government Gazette. Under section 11(5) of the regulations, it becomes an offence to publish a statement through any medium with the intention to deceive about Covid-19, anyone’s Covid-19 infection status or government measures to address the pandemic. The penalty is a fine or imprisonment for six months, or both.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You don't get to place limits on my liberty
Plus if you think washing hands is somehow making a difference then naivety is not your only problem.

It's you who wanted to die on Hand Washing Hill, not me. You said not washing your hands was a freedom, not me.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Rubbish... I was on topic; scroll back and tackle those who ask me to define ito liberty.

You brought up muh freedums! and liberty...

 

[semaphore]

Jesus, I’m not religious but menticide you need Christ.

 

[pinball wizard]

Like paying a fine and being put in jail, cool I agree.

Exactly.

 

[menticide]

Little was known at the start of the pandemic. And if the entire world had stuck to the initial hard lockdown, the virus would have been beaten. But no, we have - muh freedums! And then those who are not at all medically qualified that know more than the medical profession.



So the entire world can do away with all the police, military and social security systems then? We can have the unqualified likes of you making all the decisions?



Suggest you open a thread for this if you want to rant. I'm not going off at the tangent you want me to. The philosophy section is where you want to be.



How are you going to credibly demonstrate your scepticism with no scientific qualifications behind you? Who is going to believe you? The scientists have already used scepticism to try to disprove their peer reviewed and published findings. That's how science works.

You're unqualified to be sceptic regarding science.

Whew... you know nothing about me... yet you think you're qualified to pick and choose who gets to be a skeptic. Don't be such a moron; that the type of BS that tells me you're not talking about science, you're talking about the politics; because real science welcomes all skepticism, whereas politics attacks, belittles and tries to cancel skeptics; irrespective of their qualifications.