Non-Vaccination brag thread

[Rosaudio]

You are still contagious regardless of your vaccine status, how are they possibly going to continue on as they were?

Not as contagious though.

 

[Rosaudio]

90% of what they are selling is to ease the symptoms .

What's the alternative? State-owned pharma? No pharma at all?

 

[Pudding McTwinkle]

Not as contagious though.

But still contagious?

 

[Pudding McTwinkle]

Nobody is forcing the vaccine on you either...

Did you miss the discussion about vaccine passports. Limiting a persons freedoms if they don't conform is forcing people. Might as well build some concentration camps for unvaccinated people.

 

[Rosaudio]

But still contagious?

Well, nothing has ever claimed to be 100%.

It's a number game when it comes down to it.

 

[TheJman]

You dont know.
I just wish people / medical professionals would start talking more about gut health.

Currently we can conclude comorbidity is not a deciding factor. Neither is old age. Nor youth.

It seems to be something genetic - there are some families I know where their 90 year old Grandmother had it as was okay, and then others where a whole family is wiped out from it.

 

[Gyre]

Did you miss the discussion about vaccine passports. Limiting a persons freedoms if they don't conform is forcing people. Might as well build some concentration camps for unvaccinated people.

What about the oher passports, like your ID document, your drivers license, your tag to get into a building, your ACTUAL passport to get into another country, etc?

Are those violations of your rights too?

 

[pinball wizard]

What about the oher passports, like your ID document, your drivers license, your tag to get into a building, your ACTUAL passport to get into another country, etc?

Are those violations of your rights too?

Well, the short answer, is yes.

 

[Gyre]

Well, the short answer, is yes.

It's a privilege to be able to have those things in the first place as they open you up to other opportunities.

 

[_Dog]

Not as contagious though.

According to an internal CDC document there may be no difference in transmissibility between vaccinated and unvaccinated cases.

"Delta variant vaccine breakthrough cases may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases"

▪ Breakthrough cases reported to national passive surveillance have lower Ct values by 3 cycles (~10-fold increase in viral load) for Delta (Ct=18, n=19) compared with Alpha (Ct=21, n=207) and other lineages (Ct=21, n=251)
▪ Barnstable County, MA, outbreak: No difference in mean Ct values in vaccinated and unvaccinated cases [median among vaccinated (n=80): 21.9; unvaccinated (n=65): 21.5]

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/54f57708-a529-4a33-9a44-b66d719070d9/note/7335c3ab-06ee-4121-aaff-a11904e68462.#page=1

 

[TheJman]

What about the oher passports, like your ID document, your drivers license, your tag to get into a building, your ACTUAL passport to get into another country, etc?

Are those violations of your rights too?

To add to this - a lot of schools require that children have received vaccinations before they can apply to be at the school.

A number of countries require that you have had yellow fever, tetanus etc...

So guess people are already in the "concentration camps for unvaccinated people"

 

[pinball wizard]

It's a privilege to be able to have those things in the first place as they open you up to other opportunities.

You've heard of that wall some americans want built along the border with mexico? You understand that at least half the people in america view the access control between the two countries as a human rights violation, and a large part of their argument is that people with your mindset, come exactly from a place of privilege and seek to impose control because of that privilege?

The entire point of the items you list are to exclude people, like access control at a business.

Worse still are passports to control access to a country, especially when 90% of all borders in the world are arbitrarily drawn on a piece of paper by conquering colonists. Do you think Pakistan was a country? Or Afghanistan? They were invented by people with privilege as you put it, and they have absolutely violated people's rights.

 

[Pudding McTwinkle]

To add to this - a lot of schools require that children have received vaccinations before they can apply to be at the school.

A number of countries require that you have had yellow fever, tetanus etc...

So guess people are already in the "concentration camps for unvaccinated people"

Are we discussing these very effective vaccines with years and years of data, or these sort of vaccine/treatments for Rona.

 

[Ragnarök]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1429531592851087364

See how they play with words , now parents in the same camp

 

[TheJman]

Are we discussing these very effective vaccines with years and years of data, or these sort of vaccine/treatments for Rona.

So at what objective stage do vaccines become "safe"?

Because there are plenty of people out there who don't want to have any vaccine - so they are being discriminated against right?

 

[Nanfeishen]

What about the oher passports, like your ID document, your drivers license, your tag to get into a building, your ACTUAL passport to get into another country, etc?

Are those violations of your rights too?

All those documents do is simply Identify you as the actual individual, only a drivers licence has anything regarding health and that is regarding glasses , and actual physical disability

the front page of a passport
"requests all whom it may concern to allow the bearer of this passport to pass freely without let or hinderance"

No mention of ones health status.

For certain countries one has an immunisation card in case of certain illnesses, and that is it.

With Covid , you are not immunised, simply vaccinated because you have not been rendered unsusceptible to it.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

90% of what they are selling is to ease the symptoms .

The vax is not there to ease symptoms...

 

[Pudding McTwinkle]

So at what objective stage do vaccines become "safe"?

Because there are plenty of people out there who don't want to have any vaccine - so they are being discriminated against right?

We are discussing the Rona vaccine. Nice try though...

 

[lumeer]

All those documents do is simply Identify you as the actual individual, only a drivers licence has anything regarding health and that is regarding glasses , and actual physical disability

the front page of a passport
"requests all whom it may concern to allow the bearer of this passport to pass freely without let or hinderance"

No mention of ones health status.

For certain countries one has an immunisation card in case of certain illnesses, and that is it.

With Covid , you are not immunised, simply vaccinated because you have not been rendered unsusceptible to it.

The HPV vaccine is the only vaccine that confers sterilising immunity. All other vaccines still allow infection to take place.

 

[Gyre]

You've heard of that wall some americans want built along the border with mexico? You understand that at least half the people in america view the access control between the two countries as a human rights violation, and a large part of their argument is that people with your mindset, come exactly from a place of privilege and seek to impose control because of that privilege?

The entire point of the items you list are to exclude people, like access control at a business.

Worse still are passports to control access to a country, especially when 90% of all borders in the world are arbitrarily drawn on a piece of paper by conquering colonists. Do you think Pakistan was a country? Or Afghanistan? They were invented by people with privilege as you put it, and they have absolutely violated people's rights.

I completely agree with you! However, the reality is is that these "violations" are already in place, so introducing one more for safety isn't going to plunge us into the cellar of the concentration camps