Non-Vaccination brag thread

[Cosmik Debris]

Non vaccination brag thread.

For people to brag about not being vaccinated.

You are in here preaching pro vaccination propaganda like a religious fanatic.

To counter non vac propaganda.

 

[rietrot]

To counter non vac propaganda.

Tell us why you feel you need to do that.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Tell us why you feel you need to do that.

Because non vac propaganda could affect my chances of a hospital bed.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Then stop making it so easy, you open yourself up to it.

How? I deal in fact, logic and reason only.

 

[Seven_Nine_Eight]

Wait so the above is saying for a given recent period all deaths caused by delta you are twice as likely to die if you have been fully vaccinated vs not vaccinated? o.0
How does this compute with all those fancy graphs we have been shown showing a reduction in deaths, even if there are high numbers of cases, supposedly attributed to vaccine success?

Well, it seems to me that if you are over 50 and unvaccinated you are three times more likely to die within 28 days (after being infected with COVID) compared to vaccinated over 50 people. Of course this might have nothing to do with the vaccine and it is just bad luck for the unvaccinated.

Similarly, if you are under 50 and vaccinated you are slightly more likely to die within 28 days (after being infected with COVID) compared to the unvaccinated. But again, this might have nothing to do with the vaccine and it is just bad luck for the unvaccinated.

Lastly, just looking at the total stats the vaxxed are more than 2x more likely to die within 28 days (after being infected with COVID) compared to unvaccinated. But again, this might have nothing to do with the vaccine and it is just bad luck for the vaccinated.

 

[flytek]

Looking closely at the data you posted all 3 cases, report 20, 21 and 21 minus 20 the results are similar.
Under 50 and vaccinated die more often if infected by delta than unvaccinted.
Over 50 yesrs old and the situation is reversed and then some.
Overall being unvaccinated is safer than being vaccinated.

 

[Seven_Nine_Eight]

Looking closely at the data you posted all 3 cases, report 20, 21 and 21 minus 20 the results are similar.
Under 50 and vaccinated die more often if infected by delta than unvaccinted.
Over 50 yesrs old and the situation is reversed and then some.
Overall being unvaccinated is safer than being vaccinated.

The following can play a role in these worrying stats (if they hold up):
1) This may be an early signal of ADE starting to occur in new variants. Remember, these stats are for the delta variant.
2) Vaccinated people are under the impression that the vaccine will decrease the spreading of the virus and thus become more lax in social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing etc. This is a perfect storm to spread bigger viral loads and that the vaccinated receive bigger doses of the virus. So the vaccine may actually work, but people's immune systems are still being overrun due to receiving bigger viral loads at time of infection (due to decreased safety). This behaviour of vaccinated people will of course also drive the evolution of new, vaccine-resistant variants.

 

[flytek]

The unvaccinated are often those who don't wear masks all the time and carry on as normal as podsible despite the commonly stated risks. Maybe there is an epidemic of heat attacks going on in the vaccinated that is not making the news...or something else?

 

[Seven_Nine_Eight]

The unvaccinated are often those who don't wear masks all the time and carry on as normal as podsible despite the commonly stated risks. Maybe there is an epidemic of heat attacks going on in the vaccinated that is not making the news...or something else?

I think you will see more people, vax and unvaxxed, just starting to care less about social distancing, wearing masks etc.

Hopefully we will see the evolution of less deadly variants.

 

[lumeer]

Data from UK:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

Can someone else look at Table 5 and double check this table I made in Excel?

		2 Doses	Unvaccinated
Delta cases	<50	25536​	147612​
	>50	21472​	3440​
	Total	47008​	151052​
Death within 28 days	<50	13​	48​
	>50	389​	205​
	Total	402​	253​
				RATIO vax vs unvax	RATIO unvax vs vax
Percentage deaths	<50	0,0509​	0,0325​	1,5656​	0,6387​
	>50	1,8117​	5,9593​	0,3040​	3,2894​
	Total	0,8552​	0,1675​	5,1058​	0,1959​

If this is correct then:
1) You are 3 times more likely to die from COVID if you are over 50 and unvaccinated compared to vaccinated.
2) You are 1.5x more likely to die from COVID if you are under 50 and vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

A possible explanation for this anomaly is that there could be a confounding factor. For example, amongst people under the age of 50, those with comorbidities may have been more likely to have gotten vaccinated, and such people would also have a worse Covid prognosis because of their comorbidities.

Numerous clinical trials have shown that the vaccines offer 90%+ protection against death.

If it were true that the vaccines made death more likely in those under 50, then the Covid death rate in this group should have increased over time since vaccination began. The data does not show this to be the case:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/det...sitive_test_by_date_of_death_age_demographics

As Daniel Griffin says, a point does not make a line. I would guard against reading too much into this limited set of data.

 

[lumeer]

Data from UK:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

Can someone else look at Table 5 and double check this table I made in Excel?

		2 Doses	Unvaccinated
Delta cases	<50	25536​	147612​
	>50	21472​	3440​
	Total	47008​	151052​
Death within 28 days	<50	13​	48​
	>50	389​	205​
	Total	402​	253​
				RATIO vax vs unvax	RATIO unvax vs vax
Percentage deaths	<50	0,0509​	0,0325​	1,5656​	0,6387​
	>50	1,8117​	5,9593​	0,3040​	3,2894​
	Total	0,8552​	0,1675​	5,1058​	0,1959​

If this is correct then:
1) You are 3 times more likely to die from COVID if you are over 50 and unvaccinated compared to vaccinated.
2) You are 1.5x more likely to die from COVID if you are under 50 and vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

Another possible confounding factor is that this data is limited to people who got a Covid test, i.e. who had symptomatic disease. Given that vaccination reduces the likelihood of symptomatic disease, vaccinated people who develop symptomatic disease probably represent the more severe cases within their cohort compared to unvaccinated people.

 

[BadBoyGP]

I haven't read the almost 2000 posted.
Just the title.

So I haven't taken the vaccine, don't think I will for the next 12-24months unless in forced(which looks like the likely case)

I have noticed that the pro covid vaccine community are behaving like these jovah witnesses(no dis respect on the religion, just the activities), if you don't want to take the vaccine then you are the devil or have some conspiracy theory.

I recently did a position paper for my post grad and what I found based on data is that vaccinated people get and spread the virus just like anyone else, in fact the countries with the highest vaccination rate has the highest new case rate and death rate, much worse then before Vax was rolled out.
A few assumptions I made to justify this star, 1. Could be a false sense of security for the vaccinated, they relax on the precautions. Or it just could be that the Vax does nothing.

When I get the flu/cold(once in like 4-5 years) I generally hate taking any meds, just how I feel.

I don't want to take the Vax, because the only benefit I see is being in the "in" crowd.

I rather wait around 24 months to see any side effects to majority of the vaccinated before I'm forced(mainly due to international travel.)

I haven't seen anyone FORCING anyone to not take the Vax, but by God about 90 of pro Vax FORCE you and use the threat that you are a killer(how only God now), or don't care about others.

Anyway thats where I am at.

BTW, I had covid 6 weeks ago, I was really sick, bedridden for a week, but I survived with no lasting issues. So I know how it feels.

For those who can't see other peoples points research " confirmation bias"

 

[Dave]

I haven't read the almost 2000 posted.
Just the title.

So I haven't taken the vaccine, don't think I will for the next 12-24months unless in forced(which looks like the likely case)

I have noticed that the pro covid vaccine community are behaving like these jovah witnesses(no dis respect on the religion, just the activities), if you don't want to take the vaccine then you are the devil or have some conspiracy theory.

I recently did a position paper for my post grad and what I found based on data is that vaccinated people get and spread the virus just like anyone else, in fact the countries with the highest vaccination rate has the highest new case rate and death rate, much worse then before Vax was rolled out.
A few assumptions I made to justify this star, 1. Could be a false sense of security for the vaccinated, they relax on the precautions. Or it just could be that the Vax does nothing.

When I get the flu/cold(once in like 4-5 years) I generally hate taking any meds, just how I feel.

I don't want to take the Vax, because the only benefit I see is being in the "in" crowd.

I rather wait around 24 months to see any side effects to majority of the vaccinated before I'm forced(mainly due to international travel.)

I haven't seen anyone FORCING anyone to not take the Vax, but by God about 90 of pro Vax FORCE you and use the threat that you are a killer(how only God now), or don't care about others.

Anyway thats where I am at.

BTW, I had covid 6 weeks ago, I was really sick, bedridden for a week, but I survived with no lasting issues. So I know how it feels.

For those who can't see other peoples points research " confirmation bias"

You hit quite a few “sayings” there.





By the way, you say “no disrespect to the religion” and then don’t even spell Jehovah correctly…

 

[BBSA]

You hit quite a few “sayings” there.

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Nice fear-mongering.

I'm sure many people die on a daily basis because they don't do their own research.

Health is a complex issue, you would be silly not to do research.

 

[HunterNW]

Still not jabbed and i feel GREAT.

 

[azbob]

I haven't read the almost 2000 posted.
Just the title.

So I haven't taken the vaccine, don't think I will for the next 12-24months unless in forced(which looks like the likely case)

I have noticed that the pro covid vaccine community are behaving like these jovah witnesses(no dis respect on the religion, just the activities), if you don't want to take the vaccine then you are the devil or have some conspiracy theory.

I recently did a position paper for my post grad and what I found based on data is that vaccinated people get and spread the virus just like anyone else, in fact the countries with the highest vaccination rate has the highest new case rate and death rate, much worse then before Vax was rolled out.
A few assumptions I made to justify this star, 1. Could be a false sense of security for the vaccinated, they relax on the precautions. Or it just could be that the Vax does nothing.

When I get the flu/cold(once in like 4-5 years) I generally hate taking any meds, just how I feel.

I don't want to take the Vax, because the only benefit I see is being in the "in" crowd.

I rather wait around 24 months to see any side effects to majority of the vaccinated before I'm forced(mainly due to international travel.)

I haven't seen anyone FORCING anyone to not take the Vax, but by God about 90 of pro Vax FORCE you and use the threat that you are a killer(how only God now), or don't care about others.

Anyway thats where I am at.

BTW, I had covid 6 weeks ago, I was really sick, bedridden for a week, but I survived with no lasting issues. So I know how it feels.

For those who can't see other peoples points research " confirmation bias"

I hope your post-grad paper isn’t written anything like this post

 

[BadBoyGP]

I hope your post-grad paper isn’t written anything like this post

Of course, this is a forum. And I wrote this using a phone at 12 midnight.

 

[BBSA]

I hope your post-grad paper isn’t written anything like this post

Why, is he your son?

 

[BadBoyGP]

You hit quite a few “sayings” there.

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By the way, you say “no disrespect to the religion” and then don’t even spell Jehovah correctly…

My point proven

 

[BadBoyGP]

Why, is he your son?

Instead on commenting on the topic I was trying to highlight, it's the spelling and grammar that is commented on.