Non-Vaccination brag thread

[HunterNW]

Instead on commenting on the topic I was trying to highlight, it's the spelling and grammar that is commented on.

Because he's too stupid to reply on your topic.

 

[azbob]

Why, is he your son?

I bloody well hope not.

 

[Daveogg]

For those who can't see other peoples points research " confirmation bias"

Oh the irony.

 

[BadBoyGP]

Oh the irony.

My argument is that about 90% of the pro Vax people "force" everyone else to take the vax, where as most of the people who don't want to take it don't really force people not to take it.

Prime example my broadband on a couple of threads.

Do you have evidence of otherwise?
I will change my views if shown the other way.

So no irony there.

 

[rh1]

Ah, the good old fearmongering, or is it that you enjoy the fact that this align with your belief that you were right? Too early to tell. But believe in your invinceabily.

 

[lumeer]

My argument is that about 90% of the pro Vax people "force" everyone else to take the vax, where as most of the people who don't want to take it don't really force people not to take it.

Prime example my broadband on a couple of threads.

Do you have evidence of otherwise?
I will change my views if shown the other way.

So no irony there.

Antivaxxers spread misinformation about vaccines and try to scare people into not getting vaccinated.

Daniel Griffin refers to them as a "tyrannical minority" and I agree.

In your own case, you have claimed that the death rate went up since vaccinations began, which is false.

 

[Gyre]

Ah, the good old fearmongering, or is it that you enjoy the fact that this align with your belief that you were right? Too early to tell. But believe in your invinceabily.

Why you so afraid of a vaccine bro? It's just a little needle.

 

[R13...]

Ah, the good old fearmongering, or is it that you enjoy the fact that this align with your belief that you were right? Too early to tell. But believe in your invinceabily.

Nah, I just thought it is funny that the sentiments being expressed here are the same as those out in the wider world.

 

[BadBoyGP]

Antivaxxers spread misinformation about vaccines and try to scare people into not getting vaccinated.

Daniel Griffin refers to them as a "tyrannical minority" and I agree.

In your own case, you have claimed that the death rate went up since vaccinations began, which is false.

Not claimed.
Based on stats.

But just cutting that part out of the bigger statement is just lazy.

I gave my assumptions on that...

 

[Geoff.D]

Instead on commenting on the topic I was trying to highlight, it's the spelling and grammar that is commented on.

Unfortunately, that is part of the tactic used to discredit posts of alternate views contrary to hype.

 

[lumeer]

Not claimed.
Based on stats.

But just cutting that part out of the bigger statement is just lazy.

I gave my assumptions on that...

Show me the data according to which deaths have gone up since vaccination started.

 

[Dave]

Show me the data according to which deaths have gone up since vaccination started.

Maybe he was looking at a graph upside down?

I mean if you look at a graph of deaths in the UK from vaccination rollout in January to July upside down and in reverse it could look like deaths have gone up

 

[Ragnarök]

Moderna vaccine production continues in EU amid contamination probe

Production of Moderna COVID-19 vaccines at a plant in Spain can continue, the European Union drugs regulator said on Friday, while it carries out its investigation of a suspected metallic contamination incident.

www.reuters.com

 

[Seven_Nine_Eight]

A possible explanation for this anomaly is that there could be a confounding factor. For example, amongst people under the age of 50, those with comorbidities may have been more likely to have gotten vaccinated, and such people would also have a worse Covid prognosis because of their comorbidities.

Numerous clinical trials have shown that the vaccines offer 90%+ protection against death.

If it were true that the vaccines made death more likely in those under 50, then the Covid death rate in this group should have increased over time since vaccination began. The data does not show this to be the case:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England#card-deaths_within_28_days_of_positive_test_by_date_of_death_age_demographics

As Daniel Griffin says, a point does not make a line. I would guard against reading too much into this limited set of data.

Let's hope this is an anomaly and not the beginning of a trend.

 

[Seven_Nine_Eight]

Looking at the data and comparing Alpha and Delta

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf

From tables three and five:

	Cases	Deaths	Percentage deaths
Alpha	226732​	4323​	1,907​
Delta	386852​	1192​	0,308​
Delta unvaccinated	183133​	390​	0,213​
Delta vaccinated (<21 days post dose 1)	26194​	14​	0,053​
Delta vaccinated (≥21 days post dose 1)	63763​	90​	0,141​
Delta vaccinated (≥14 days post dose 2)	73327​	679​	0,926​
Delta vaccinated (Sum)	163284​	783​	0,480​

To me it does look like the Delta variant is less deadly compared to the alpha. However, as other reports seem to indicate, chances of ending in hospital with Delta is higher compared to Alpha.

This may be due to improvements in how COVID is managed when people get to hospital.

 

[Seven_Nine_Eight]

There is also a simple evolutionary explanation for new variants becoming less deadly but more contagious.
Selection pressure will favour variants that spread better. Variants that kill their hosts too efficiently will not spread as fast as variants that infect hosts at high rates without causing their hosts to be bedridden or isolated.

 

[Park@82]

... apparently there's some magnetic particles inside the covid vaccine

I thought that the suggestion of magnetic particles in vaccines were nuts but Japan just found something strange in some of the Moderna vaccines:

"The ministry said later in the day that the substance that had been mixed in may have been metal. "It's a substance that reacts to magnets," a ministry official said. "It could be metal." "

1.6 million doses withdrawn.

Ref:

1.6m Moderna doses withdrawn in Japan over contamination

Company confirms reports of particulate matter in vials, but finds 'no safety issues'

asia.nikkei.com

Thread:

1.6m Moderna doses withdrawn in Japan over contamination

TOKYO/ NEW YORK -- About 1.6 million doses of Moderna's coronavirus vaccine have been taken out of use in Japan because of contamination reported in some vials, the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare said early Thursday. Several vaccination centers have reported that vaccine vials contained...

mybroadband.co.za

 

[s0lar]

Vaccine passports have been around for decades:

Strange, I am pretty well travelled and have never had to produce a vaccine passport.

 

[BadBoyGP]

Maybe he was looking at a graph upside down?

I mean if you look at a graph of deaths in the UK from vaccination rollout in January to July upside down and in reverse it could look like deaths have gone up

View attachment 1135526

Look at usa and Brazil.

The 5 countries I took was
USA
Brazil
Australia
South african
India

Not sure why you using uk data to talk about my
Research.

 

[lumeer]

Look at usa and Brazil.

The 5 countries I took was
USA
Brazil
Australia
South african
India

Not sure why you using uk data to talk about my
Research.

Show us the data according to which death rates have gone up since vaccination started.