Nqakula does something right!

[Syndyre]

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=291692&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/

Police must use maximum force when dealing with violent criminals in order to protect themselves and the public, Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula said on Wednesday.

For once he said something I can actually agree with!

 

[Leitmotif]

Remarkably enough, yes.

I'm beginning to think this chap might be another Mbeki. He says a lot of the right things, but those under him seem to be working toward different purposes. Read: Selebi.

 

[kingrob]

Is this the same guy that said 'You can whinge & moan till you're blue in the face'....or, 'If you can't cope with the crime, please leave the country' a few months ago in parliament??

 

[Leitmotif]

Yeah, seems he's trying to clean up his act. Over the past few months he's been pretty solid in his speeches. Now if only he'd stop defending his lapdog, and take a look at what said lapdog has been up to as commisioner, life would be a lot better.

 

[kingmonty]

Actually Nqakula is contradicting the Law and the Police. There is a lot of confusion in the police today, mostly thanks to these kind of statements. As it stands, the law clearly states that a Police official is only allowed to fire his weapon when he has been fired upon. That is the definition of extreme force in terms of the law.

 

[Syndyre]

Is this the same guy that said 'You can whinge & moan till you're blue in the face'....or, 'If you can't cope with the crime, please leave the country' a few months ago in parliament??

Remember he said something along the lines of whites should stop whining about crime and leave if they don't like it.

 

[kingrob]

Remember he said something along the lines of whites should stop whining about crime and leave if they don't like it.

Exactly! So we ARE talking about the same guy - can't believe the 'transformation'....

 

[Syndyre]

Actually Nqakula is contradicting the Law and the Police. There is a lot of confusion in the police today, mostly thanks to these kind of statements. As it stands, the law clearly states that a Police official is only allowed to fire his weapon when he has been fired upon. That is the definition of extreme force in terms of the law.

Then the law should be changed. Of course the de facto law may already be different, i.e. in what cases the police take disciplinary action and DPP is actually prepared to prosecute.

 

[Angelo]

"The media must not allow themselves to be used as a medium to exploit slander. They should always ask for evidence," Nqakula said, as there many people who had "their own agendas".

This statement is very relevant of late.

 

[Syndyre]

This statement is very relevant of late.

Referring to what? Selebi?

 

[xtermin8or]

Actually Nqakula is contradicting the Law and the Police. There is a lot of confusion in the police today, mostly thanks to these kind of statements. As it stands, the law clearly states that a Police official is only allowed to fire his weapon when he has been fired upon. That is the definition of extreme force in terms of the law.

Well Nqakula only said they must use maximum force when dealing with violent criminals if their lives or the lives of the public are in danger - IMHO - if they are shooting at the Police, which is in line with the law, and no serious shift in policy or procedure

BTW - he also used the same speech to back Jackie Selebi - and bash the media - saying they must ask for evidence and not just slander someone - because there are people out there with their own agenda

 

[surface]

This statement is very relevant of late.

Slander sells. Period.

 

[chiskop]

Slander sells. Period.

Yes, and so do serious allegations about our police commissioner's involvement with crime figures.

The problem is, we don't know yet which is which.

 

[kingrob]

So what about the corrupt cops that partake in hi-jacks & armed robberies?

Can they also 'shoot to kill', or only pistol-whip their victims?

*I think Police HQ will have to give directions to the police on the ground, otherwise they'll be confused.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

Nqakula congratulated the graduates and warned them that they will be held accountable for anything that goes wrong in their provinces.

WOW the minister did really transform speaking about taking accoutability

 

[kilo39]

(without reading the article) Oh great, so now we can go back to the police shooting whoever they wish... much as has been happening recently with prisoners mysteriously dying with bullets in their chest while trying to escape. Never mind the torture stories that have flowed through the papers recently.

Anybody who has to ask who Nqakula is or what he said is not paying attention.

(and notably more people are dying in SA prisons from abuse and neglect (and who knows what else) than ever at the height of the apartheid regime.)

 

[Asitis]

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=291692&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/



For once he said something I can actually agree with!

He SAYS a lot of things, but like most politicians fail to act on it.

As the saying goes, words are cheap.

 

[kilo39]

The minister encouraged them to improve sector policing, saying there is a need to cover the streets as this makes people feel secure.
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Attention is also needed at borders to stop foreigners from coming into South Africa illegally.
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"The media must not allow themselves to be used as a medium to exploit slander. They should always ask for evidence," Nqakula said, as there many people who had "their own agendas".

Nqakula maintained that crime levels are decreasing.
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He said between July 15 and November 15, more than 3 000 hardened criminals were arrested across the country. Between July and August another 85 people involved in organised crimes were arrested and were linked to 400 cases.
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The reason why people think that crime is high in South Africa is because the crimes are violent, he said.

"To solve this we must deal with those who would want to kill our people."

But just the other day there were enough police on the ground and it was a management issue.

Oh of course, it is actually people "with their own agendas" read: these things aren't really happening its just a "media scare."

Ja, let's kill them all.

So in 4 months they arrested 3000 hardened criminals. Gee must have been tremendous investigative work - or were these people sitting out there all the time and you knew something about it, but did NOTHING. !!! (or did we go around and just round up some random bunch!!)

What a farce: plenty more where they came from - IDIOT. USELESS FOOL!!

 

[kingmonty]

Well Nqakula only said they must use maximum force when dealing with violent criminals if their lives or the lives of the public are in danger - IMHO - if they are shooting at the Police, which is in line with the law, and no serious shift in policy or procedure

But that's where the confusion comes in. If the police are being shot at, then return fire and maximum force is warranted, but if the police are not being fired at?

BTW - he also used the same speech to back Jackie Selebi - and bash the media - saying they must ask for evidence and not just slander someone - because there are people out there with their own agenda

BUT, from a media perspective what does that really mean? Must the media stop investigating and actually just become court reporters? Then what's the function of investigative journalism? In a country with extremely high corruption and crime rates but conversely immensely low conviction rates (mostly due to technical exploits by defense attorneys), corruption and crime will effectively then go completely unreported? Surely if a media entity has sufficient evidence and enough collaborating sources, then the reporting should continue unabated. This too me seems more evidence of the government and specifically ANC's attempts to censor the media more and more. Freedom of speech is an important facet of a democracy, and this should never be tampered with. Rights and recourse of the media should be upheld at all times.

 

[kingmonty]

But just the other day there were enough police on the ground and it was a management issue.

Oh of course, it is actually people "with their own agendas" read: these things aren't really happening its just a "media scare."

Ja, let's kill them all.

So in 4 months they arrested 3000 hardened criminals. Gee must have been tremendous investigative work - or were these people sitting out there all the time and you knew something about it, but did NOTHING. !!! (or did we go around and just round up some random bunch!!)

What a farce: plenty more where they came from - IDIOT. USELESS FOOL!!

Left arm. Right arm. No damned idea what is happening on either front. Oddly, the much revered and frequently exalted Finance Minister Trevor Manuel actually comes out every now and then and says something silly as well, like "There are enough police" and "The police has enough Vehicles" ... Really? Then why does the National Police commissioner need to drive confiscated luxury 4x4's around?