Numbers nightclub patron dies after assault

[mancombseepgood]

http://blogs.dispatch.co.za/dispatchnow/2009/01/19/numbers-assault-man-dies/

A patron who was allegedly assaulted by a bouncer in an East London nightclub has died in hospital, a family friend has confirmed.

 

[Slaine73]

Another one, I just don't understand how this just keeps on happening....

 

[ldmelsa]

Another one, I just don't understand how this just keeps on happening....

Numbers Numbers Numbers
I went to a couple of Numbers "teen" raves in 1999. Someone told me that the "grownup" one gets hairy. I've never been since. Still have my hearing too.

This is sad. So unnecessary. Can't something be done, or are the people who become bouncers just like that? Why do they beat the shlt out of people when they are not in any danger, and they have already removed the person from the club?

 

[mancombseepgood]

Yep - bouncers are usually amateurs... chuck norris wannabes... These clubs really should hire professional staff... Unfortunately alot of guys become bouncers to look 'the man'. A bouncer gets sued for assault, they just find another wannabe. But the club should take the rap for this.

 

[JHatman]

I'm all for bouncers using teargas but never brute force like they do now. Clubs need to change their rules on how to deal with disruptive behaviour ... excessive force like this should be banned.

 

[Gnome]

This guy needs to face charges of homicide in my opinion.

 

[Brawler]

Very sad to hear this. Numbers is an awesome club but I have to agree that some of the bouncers are there to be tough guys and pick a fight, I have witnessed the excessive force they use a few times. A friend was once shocked with a stun gun thing for smoking on the dance floor... They should be trained to deal with the people misbehaving according like honest police do, there is no reason bouncers should get special treatment.

I heard the guilty bouncer is actually quite a relaxed guy. I wonder what the deceased did to provoke such an attack? or was the bouncer a bit twisted from steriods?

 

[Xarog]

This guy needs to face charges of homicide in my opinion.

Absolutely. And I think clubs should be liable for any injuries their staff cause their patrons.

 

[mancombseepgood]

Very sad to hear this. Numbers is an awesome club but I have to agree that some of the bouncers are there to be tough guys and pick a fight, I have witnessed the excessive force they use a few times. A friend was once shocked with a stun gun thing for smoking on the dance floor... They should be trained to deal with the people misbehaving according like honest police do, there is no reason bouncers should get special treatment.

I heard the guilty bouncer is actually quite a relaxed guy. I wonder what the deceased did to provoke such an attack? or was the bouncer a bit twisted from steriods?

Well sounds like the bouncer got unlucky too - and this is what one should expect when assaulting a person - you could very easily get unlucky and kill a person... why do people think nothing of assault then catch a wakeup when they realize they just killed someone?

 

[mancombseepgood]

Update - bouncer hands himself over to police.
http://blogs.dispatch.co.za/dispatchnow/2009/01/19/numbers-assault-bouncer-hands-himself-over/

 

[adrianx]

In my experience, clubs where the bouncers are almost invisible are usually the more peaceful ones.

As soon as I see "professional" bouncers with headsets and whatnot, I know that it best to give that place a miss.

I know, it doesn't make sense, but that has been my experience since the late 80s.

 

[noxibox]

Well sounds like the bouncer got unlucky too - and this is what one should expect when assaulting a person - you could very easily get unlucky and kill a person... why do people think nothing of assault then catch a wakeup when they realize they just killed someone?

He didn't get unlucky. He hit someone with, by the look of things, no valid reason. Also a sign of a lack of proper training. Even good fight training teaches you that you don't hit someone unless you absolutely have to. Conflict management, avoiding the fight is an important skill.

As soon as I see "professional" bouncers with headsets and whatnot, I know that it best to give that place a miss.

I know, it doesn't make sense, but that has been my experience since the late 80s.

It depends. A couple of decades ago they were all bad. Bouncers were either big street thugs or supposed professionals, but even the bouncers who were supposed to be pros were at one time totally unprofessional. In general they were current or ex-cops and brought with them the typical old SAPS thuggery.

Absolutely. And I think clubs should be liable for any injuries their staff cause their patrons.

You can successfully sue them, but that is the only way you're likely to get anything out of them.

Update - bouncer hands himself over to police.

If the story is correct that multiple bouncers were involved then they're all equally guilty even if only one delivered the blow. They should all go down for the crime.

This guy needs to face charges of homicide in my opinion.

And so should all the other bouncers who assisted.

I'm all for bouncers using teargas but never brute force like they do now.

What do you mean like they do now? This is nothing new. They shouldn't even be using pepper spray unless the situation really calls for it and that is almost never the case.

Very sad to hear this. Numbers is an awesome club but I have to agree that some of the bouncers are there to be tough guys and pick a fight, I have witnessed the excessive force they use a few times. A friend was once shocked with a stun gun thing for smoking on the dance floor... They should be trained to deal with the people misbehaving according like honest police do, there is no reason bouncers should get special treatment.

The club should be boycotted in that case.

I heard the guilty bouncer is actually quite a relaxed guy.

Obviously not if he dragged someone from a club, smashed his elbow into the guy's face, watched his head smash into the ground, then walked away.

 

[Slaine73]

In my experience, clubs where the bouncers are almost invisible are usually the more peaceful ones.

As soon as I see "professional" bouncers with headsets and whatnot, I know that it best to give that place a miss.

I know, it doesn't make sense, but that has been my experience since the late 80s.

Agree with you there. As soon as there are bouncers all around, there must be a reason for it, and that means I won't be able to relax and just enjoy a good evening out....

 

[mancombseepgood]

He didn't get unlucky. He hit someone with, by the look of things, no valid reason. Also a sign of a lack of proper training. Even good fight training teaches you that you don't hit someone unless you absolutely have to. Conflict management, avoiding the fight is an important skill.

I think you missed my point. Yes he did intentionally assault the guy, but it sounds like the guy had brain damage from hitting the concrete floor. The point is it wasn't the intention of the bouncer to kill the patron. "He got unlucky" was a very loose comment meaning he is now up for homicide where he was intending to be up for assault at most. Of course he needs to face the music. Point is you can't expect to achieve anything by assaulting someone.

 

[mancombseepgood]

http://www.dispatch.co.za/article.aspx?id=287134

Shocked users on the Daily Dispatch website shared their grief. Many echoed the view that the nightclub should take responsibility, or close, while others claimed the establishment’s bouncers were notorious for being violent.

People raised concerns about their safety at the club, with some claiming bouncers beat up patrons in secluded areas like the one where Frara was assaulted to avoid surveillance cameras.

George Cooras, aged 19, of Nahoon, alleged that he was beaten by bouncers and lost a tooth about three months ago after he complained that a barman had poured him water instead of whisky.

“I had a verbal go at the barman and the bouncer came and pulled me down the staircase and started punching me. I ran outside to the parking lot and four more guys chased after me. I fell on the ground and one of them started shooting me with a Taser gun on my legs while the others kept on kicking.”

Cooras’ dental operation will cost him R14000.

A case of assault is pending.

Numbers general manager Daryn Mildenhall dismissed claims that surveillance cameras were being misused. Their footage showed Frara being escorted outside by a bouncer.

“We have cameras inside but we can’t see everything that is happening outside the venue.”

 

[mancombseepgood]

one of the comments:
http://blogs.dispatch.co.za/dispatchnow/2009/01/19/numbers-assault-man-dies/

Lets get some facts straight - Chad did not trip over a meter and fall onto the concrete - he was elbow butted on his nose which instantly knocked him to the ground - from there he was dragged to a more private place - well away from surveillance cameras - he was then stuck four times (and not with a fist - an object much harder and lethal). These facts were confirmed by an x-ray taken of his severely fractured skull - Chad was brain dead on arrival at the hospital. What kind of animal can do this……Previously, this particular bouncer has been reported to the owner of Numbers about his aggressive behaviour - obviously nothing was done - perhaps if action had been taken, Chad may be alive today and his children would have a father.

 

[FantaFest]

Well well this is what happens when bouncers get to big headed.This guys life is lost just because he was fighting with his fiancé. Imagine the fiancé and how distraught his family must be.

Bouncers must only hit when they have to,all they should do is chuck the person out.

 

[Brawler]

AN EAST London nightclub bouncer handed himself over to the police yesterday after a father-of-three died in hospital earlier in the day.
The man, Chad Frara, aged 37, was admitted to Frere Hospital after an incident at the back of Numbers Dance Club after he was escorted from the club in the early hours of Sunday morning.
The 23-year-old bouncer, who cannot be named until he appears in court, allegedly elbowed Frara in the head somewhere at the back of the nightclub.
The victim apparently fell to the ground, possibly hitting his head on the cement floor.
He suffered severe head injuries and his condition worsened in hospital until he was declared brain dead. Police are investigating a case of culpable homicide.
The bouncer was promptly fired by Numbers after the incident.
Frara’s mother, Marlene Perry, speaking with distraught family members at her son’s ex- wife’s house in Cambridge, demanded justice for her son, who was once a bouncer himself at Club Cocobana, near Gonubie.
“I would like to see justice served on the person who irresponsibly carried out a job that was supposed to be for someone who was considerate of others,” she said.
Perry held Numbers responsible “ for employing people who are not capable of holding positions that this man was in”.
“I’m angry and furious at Numbers because I’ve just lost a child, my second son.”
Perry said she was not prepared to back down, especially as Numbers’ management had not taken the trouble to contact them. “I’m not prepared to lose a child through sheer negligence.” Numbers, she added, should “ take responsibility because I can’t expect a mother to raise three children alone now that Chad is gone”. Otherwise, they should close down.
Frara’s ex-wife Charmaine said they were not willing to budge. “I want to see justice. It’s not going to bring Chad back, but now my kids will have to go through life without a father. I have a lot of anger at the moment.”
Shocked users on the Daily Dispatch website shared their grief. Many echoed the view that the nightclub should take responsibility, or close, while others claimed the establishment’s bouncers were notorious for being violent.
People raised concerns about their safety at the club, with some claiming bouncers beat up patrons in secluded areas like the one where Frara was assaulted to avoid surveillance cameras.
George Cooras, aged 19, of Nahoon, alleged that he was beaten by bouncers and lost a tooth about three months ago after he complained that a barman had poured him water instead of whisky.
“I had a verbal go at the barman and the bouncer came and pulled me down the staircase and started punching me. I ran outside to the parking lot and four more guys chased after me. I fell on the ground and one of them started shooting me with a Taser gun on my legs while the others kept on kicking.”
Cooras’ dental operation will cost him R14 000.
A case of assault is pending.
Numbers general manager Daryn Mildenhall dismissed claims that surveillance cameras were being misused. Their footage showed Frara being escorted outside by a bouncer.
“We have cameras inside but we can’t see everything that is happening outside the venue.” - By LINDILE SIFILE

http://www.dispatch.co.za/article.aspx?id=287134

 

[Slootvreter]

“I had a verbal go at the barman and the bouncer came and pulled me down the staircase and started punching me. I ran outside to the parking lot and four more guys chased after me. I fell on the ground and one of them started shooting me with a Taser gun on my legs while the others kept on kicking.”

Oh so the bouncer just grabbed him and started punching him for no reason? Riight.

 

[Slaine73]

Oh so the bouncer just grabbed him and started punching him for no reason? Riight.

Sometimes it happens, I've seen it on more than one occastion. I've seen bouncers beat up guys who was trying to explain to them they were not the ones who did something wrong, while the real culprit was standing there laughing while the wrong guy got beaten up.