Numbers nightclub patron dies after assault

[supersunbird]

Once, this bouncer was hastling me for throwing a glass on the floor. I had only been there a few minutes, hadn't even gotten a drink yet and now I'm supposedly throwing glasses onto the floor while I wait for my friends to arrive... Yeah, whatever.

Guess I must be lucky that I'm 6'6" and he might have been put off by that and thus I didn't get beaten to a pulp for something I didn't do...

 

[adrianx]

Oh so the bouncer just grabbed him and started punching him for no reason? Riight.

People with a signature like yours are delusional lunatics.....

See, I attacked you and you didn't even provoke me. It happens. Now throw some steroids and testosterone into the mix and the attack might get physical.

 

[Slaine73]

People with a signature like yours are delusional lunatics.....

See, I attacked you and you didn't even provoke me. It happens. Now throw some steroids and testosterone into the mix and the attack might get physical.

....and add the idea that they are in charge and have back-up from all the other bouncers....

 

[InSanity]

Please guys i am good friends with most of those bouncers including the one in question. I do however see everyones perspective but i know that most of those bouncers are calm and only attack when provoked. You forget the guy he hit also used to be a bouncer at other clubs and was banned for excessive violence... as for that blog post on the dispatch about the xrays and him being beaten with a metal object that person should become the new dispatch reporter because apparently he/she has info that nobody else does. None of us have the right to judge until we know the full story! As far as a character witness goes i will personaly testify for almost any one of those bouncers none of them are these egotistical, steroid pumping, thugs that just want to fight.

 

[Slaine73]

Please guys i am good friends with most of those bouncers including the one in question. I do however see everyones perspective but i know that most of those bouncers are calm and only attack when provoked. You forget the guy he hit also used to be a bouncer at other clubs and was banned for excessive violence... as for that blog post on the dispatch about the xrays and him being beaten with a metal object that person should become the new dispatch reporter because apparently he/she has info that nobody else does. None of us have the right to judge until we know the full story! As far as a character witness goes i will personaly testify for almost any one of those bouncers none of them are these egotistical, steroid pumping, thugs that just want to fight.

They may be that, I don't know them and you do get nice guys in the business. But too many times people have seen bouncers be unreasonably violent and go over board. So I understand why most people to not trust bouncers or believe it isn't their fault. I don't know in this case, I wasn't there.

 

[Slootvreter]

People with a signature like yours are delusional lunatics.....

See, I attacked you and you didn't even provoke me. It happens. Now throw some steroids and testosterone into the mix and the attack might get physical.

Oh god. There are much more popped-collar steroid-fuelled jocks walking the clubs causing fights than there will ever be bouncers. Compare the number of fights between ordinary patrons that get really ugly to fights between customers and bouncers, and you'll notice the difference.

Many times a fight between two drunken idiots will be taken out of the venue (or spill out of the venue) into the parking lot or street where they stomp each other to the point of blood and teeth lying around, and that's fine, it won't make the newspapers. A bouncer smacks a guy, now you get the journalists all worked up.

 

[Brawler]

Please guys i am good friends with most of those bouncers including the one in question. I do however see everyones perspective but i know that most of those bouncers are calm and only attack when provoked. You forget the guy he hit also used to be a bouncer at other clubs and was banned for excessive violence... as for that blog post on the dispatch about the xrays and him being beaten with a metal object that person should become the new dispatch reporter because apparently he/she has info that nobody else does. None of us have the right to judge until we know the full story! As far as a character witness goes i will personaly testify for almost any one of those bouncers none of them are these egotistical, steroid pumping, thugs that just want to fight.

You have a good point I also heard that the guy had a history BUT still bouncers should NOT be allowed to beat anybody. They should be taught methods of restraining lunatics and call the police. Not even the police are allowed to mo3r hardened criminals but these bouncers think they can? The bouncer clearly had intentions of giving the guy a beating otherwise he would have just thrown him out the front door not take him out the back where he knows there is no CCTV.

Really sad to hear this from a club like Numbers.

 

[Slootvreter]

You have a good point I also heard that the guy had a history BUT still bouncers should NOT be allowed to beat anybody. They should be taught methods of restraining lunatics and call the police. Not even the police are allowed to mo3r hardened criminals but these bouncers think they can? The bouncer clearly had intentions of giving the guy a beating otherwise he would have just thrown him out the front door not take him out the back where he knows there is no CCTV.

Really sad to hear this from a club like Numbers.

True, and they aren't allowed to beat anyone. I've been in the trade for close to 10 years. You can restrain a guy, and when his friends comes from the side with a bottle or something, what then? Turn the other cheek? I've noticed people get more cowardly, and attacking in groups. Sometimes they choose the wrong guy and get a hiding and then run to the cops.

You can also throw a guy out, and chances are that he will do anything to come back, or to try and hurt the bouncer because he is now embarrassed. Most people do not see things from the bouncers' point of view, and are always sympathetic to drunken trouble-makers used to getting their way.

 

[Brawler]

Then tazer or pepper spray the guy, that WILL keep him off untill the cops arrive. Not mash his brains.

 

[Slootvreter]

Then tazer or pepper spray the guy, that WILL keep him off untill the cops arrive. Not mash his brains.

That is the ideal, but if you get taken in a group, or if the guy has already hit you or is busy attacking you, it't a different story. And BTW, the police are not so kind to bouncers who taze/spray a rambling drunken idiot.

 

[InSanity]

The bouncer clearly had intentions of giving the guy a beating otherwise he would have just thrown him out the front door not take him out the back where he knows there is no CCTV.

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General practice that is taught to the bouncers by numbers is to get a guy out of the closest exit as not to cause disruption so often people are taken out that way... that being said why are there no cctv's there.

Then tazer or pepper spray the guy, that WILL keep him off untill the cops arrive. Not mash his brains.

I stand for correction but the Numbers bouncers are no longer allowed to carry tazers due to some law passed that you are not allowed to tazer a patron no matter how rowdy they are

 

[Glock26]

Can someone tell me which group provides the security at Numbers?
I assume they are not independents? Is it Elite?

G26

 

[InSanity]

Can someone tell me which group provides the security at Numbers?
I assume they are not independents? Is it Elite?

G26

No Numbers has there own independent bouncers !

 

[Slaine73]

I was also in the business and yes sometimes you have to defend yourself against a group of drunken idiots and they do sometimes want to take revenge. And a lot of times these same drunken idiots are begging for a "goeie pakslae".
But it is happening more and more where some bouncers just spoil for a fight and then beat the sh@t out of some guy or even hit the nearest innocent bystander. This also happens and it is sad because it is things like that that gives the whole industry a bad name, this and also poorly trained and undisciplined bouncers.

 

[JHatman]

This guy isn't dead. Not sure how my dad found out but he says he isn't dead.

 

[adrianx]

I've seen a bouncer hit a girl (yes, she was barely even 18 years old). Huge body-builder types beating teenagers to a pulp - every weekend, simply because they passed out in the club. I have also been attacked by an Elite/Hells Angel's biker/bouncer type because some scrawny fellow, that just didn't like my face, decided to "report" me to the idiot dealer/bouncer for doing God knows what? That same bouncer proceeded to smash my car window so I reported him to the police. Nothing came of it, but (typically) someone eventually got killed at that club and it was closed down soon afterwards.

Anyway, I don't like these glitzy, glamorous, "franchise" clubs at all. Give me a dark and shady dump where people listen to rock and smoke joints in the back..... There's normally a lot less violence going on in those places, for some reason.

 

[Slaine73]

Anyway, I don't like these glitzy, glamorous, "franchise" clubs at all. Give me a dark and shady dump where people listen to rock and smoke joints in the back..... There's normally a lot less violence going on in those places, for some reason.

Very true. It is usually your more alternative/metal/gothic clubs where there are much less fighting and things like that. Except for the music another reason why I rather go to these type of places.

 

[Glock26]

No Numbers has there own independent bouncers !

Ok, thanks. Just wanted to find out.
Appreciated.

G26

 

[Glock26]

Very true. It is usually your more alternative/metal/gothic clubs where there are much less fighting and things like that. Except for the music another reason why I rather go to these type of places.

Alcatraz. That was the place. Hardly any fights ever. Chilled...unless the Doors or Masquerade guys paid a visit, but that was rare.

 

[Pitbull]

Culpable Homicide

Is the charge right ?

Do you guys know if he was charged with more than just culpable Homicide ? If not he might get off scott free. From eye witness accounts the guy fell and his head hit the concrete. Now if he was charged only with culpable homicide. It would mean the guy died directly from the attack by the Bouncer. Which is going to be very hard to prove.

They should have charged him with assault, assault GBH, public violence and what ever they could link to him. This will make sure he gets jail time. To prove that it was the actual elbow to the face that caused the brain damage is going to be a massive mission.

Let's say I'm the bouncer. I admit to hitting him, he walked backwards and triped over a beer bottle or maybe fell on a rock. He will get off scott free.

I recall a case sort of like this one where some manager got paralised and the guys got off scott free because of this exact same reason. The PA is not making these cases stick