Nvidia’s New 4000-Series PC Graphics Cards Revealed (Too Damn Expensive)

[Blackhand]

Wasn't consumers, it was miners and companies (e.g. Video editing).

Normal consumers buy at a price point, not at a performance level, as long as not burnt by performance.

Some of the past generations miners contributed to rising costs. They were also cost conscience though, time to ROI was extremely important with GPU mining being close to its end.

Companies will buy what they need to do business ofcourse.

However, GPU mining is completely dead now and we have one of the biggest MSRP price increases we’ve ever seen.

Purely from a profit point of view, they could have jacked the prices up even further (at least another $100) and I doubt they would have trouble moving the cards.
We have an example in this thread, but I also know many people first hand, who have to have the best regardless of price. These people were jumping at cards at the peak of scalped prices.

Nvidia has done the calculations. By their estimate the price isn’t going to scare away enough people to outweigh the profit.

 

[marine1]

We are the problem, if we stopped buying at these prices, they would come down, simple.

 

[tetrasect]

Some of the past generations miners contributed to rising costs. They were also cost conscience though, time to ROI was extremely important with GPU mining being close to its end.

Companies will buy what they need to do business ofcourse.

However, GPU mining is completely dead now and we have one of the biggest MSRP price increases we’ve ever seen.

Purely from a profit point of view, they could have jacked the prices up even further (at least another $100) and I doubt they would have trouble moving the cards.
We have an example in this thread, but I also know many people first hand, who have to have the best regardless of price. These people were jumping at cards at the peak of scalped prices.

Nvidia has done the calculations. By their estimate the price isn’t going to scare away enough people to outweigh the profit.

Nvidia was 2 billion in the hole last quarter because they weren't selling enough gpu's.

The reason nobody was buying them is because they were too expensive.

And Nvidia's solution to this problem is almost doubling the price for the new generation, again?

That's just plain stupid. They should have halved the price.

If they lowered the prices to $399-$899 these cards would fly off the shelves and they would make much more money than they will with this BS extortion attempt.

People are genuinely pissed off and deciding not to buy Nvidia cards anymore out of principle.

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Nvidia was 2 billion in the hole last quarter because they weren't selling enough gpu's.

The reason nobody was buying them is because they were too expensive.

And Nvidia's solution to this problem is almost doubling the price for the new generation, again?

That's just plain stupid. They should have halved the price.

If they lowered the prices to $399-$899 these cards would fly off the shelves and they would make much more money than they will with this BS extortion attempt.

People are genuinely pissed off and deciding not to buy Nvidia cards anymore out of principle.

You are deluded if you think there will be an over supply. Nvidia will make sure of that. People will buy at the price point nvidia sets.

 

[tetrasect]

You are deluded if you think there will be an over supply. Nvidia will make sure of that. People will buy at the price point nvidia sets.

There is a massive oversupply issue because miners (which made up a huge chunk of their customer base) are no longer gonna buy their cards and instead are flooding the market with used 3000 series cards.

Nvidia knows this is a huge problem which is why they even tried to cancel part of their silicon order from TSMC.
That request was rejected.

NVIDIA wants to cut orders with TSMC for next-gen 5nm RTX 40 GPUs

NVIDIA reportedly scaling back 5nm wafer orders for next-gen GeForce RTX 40 series GPUs with TSMC... lower demand, more blamed.

www.tweaktown.com

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Some proper bargains on 3080ti on carb popping up. 13k

 

[tetrasect]

Some proper bargains on 3080ti on carb popping up. 13k

RX 6800 going for 7499.- as well.

Looking forward to making a purchase next month.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Steve runs through the AIB partner GPUs,

 

[tetrasect]

Steve runs through the AIB partner GPUs,

So you need "bionic shark fans" to cool the GPU and a "dark obelisk" to keep it from snapping your motherboard in half...

 

[MikeaMatrix]

Steve runs through the AIB partner GPUs,

 

[ashdgee]

I will upgrade to 3070 (from my 1070). Don't care about the 40s series, too expensive, although its a nice to have. I want to see the perfomance benchmarks

 

[VooDooC]

Guess they thought everybody would be so impressed with the FPS on the right that we wouldn't notice the FPS on the left...

22 FPS if you don't use DLSS seems pretty kak to me...

My 3060ti gets better fps than that with dlss off. Were they running it with a 1060?

 

[Herr der Verboten]

I will upgrade to 3070 (from my 1070). Don't care about the 40s series, too expensive, although its a nice to have. I want to see the perfomance benchmarks

ok.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Guess they thought everybody would be so impressed with the FPS on the right that we wouldn't notice the FPS on the left...

22 FPS if you don't use DLSS seems pretty kak to me...

It's a broken engine. I wouldn't base my purchase on *just* that.

 

[Fulcrum29]

My 3060ti gets better fps than that with dlss off. Were they running it with a 1060?

This is their note,

*Captured with GeForce RTX 4090 at 3840 x 2160, New Ray Tracing: Overdrive Mode, DLSS 3, pre-release build.

As tested by a third-party with a 3090.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

This is their note,

*Captured with GeForce RTX 4090 at 3840 x 2160, New Ray Tracing: Overdrive Mode, DLSS 3, pre-release build.

What's the DLSS3 set as?

 

[Fulcrum29]

What's the DLSS3 set as?

I don't know, but going by that third-party test I have posted, Nvidia drew a sample which makes the 4090 look kak without DLSS. Obviously, I don't know to which extent the graphics were cranked to. Those notes must be hidden somewhere else. I suspect it is all max out.

 

[VooDooC]

I don't know, but going by that third-party test I have posted, Nvidia drew a sample which makes the 4090 look kak without DLSS. Obviously, I don't know to which extent the graphics were cranked to. Those notes must be hidden somewhere else. I suspect it is all max out.

OK I had a look at those overdrive settings and the Ray tracing on that does seem insane so quite possible that it will tank the fps.

Direct Illumination (RTXDI) gives each neon sign, street lamp, car headlight, LED billboard and TV accurate ray-traced lighting and shadows, bathing objects, walls, passing cars and pedestrians in accurate colored lighting

Ray-traced indirect lighting and reflections now bounce multiple times, compared to the previous solution’s single bounce. The result is even more accurate, realistic and immersive global illumination, reflections, and self-reflections

Ray-traced reflections are now rendered at full resolution, further improving their quality
Improved, more physically-based lighting removes the need for any other occlusion techniques

 

[tetrasect]

This is their note,

*Captured with GeForce RTX 4090 at 3840 x 2160, New Ray Tracing: Overdrive Mode, DLSS 3, pre-release build.

As tested by a third-party with a 3090.

RTX 3090ti without DLSS and with RT enabled does around 24 FPS average...

Honestly looks to me like the 4090 is in the ballpark of the 3090ti and their 2-4x BS is based solely on enabling DLSS 3 and comparing it to native resolution on the previous gen.

 

[tetrasect]

OK I had a look at those overdrive settings and the Ray tracing on that does seem insane so quite possible that it will tank the fps.

Direct Illumination (RTXDI) gives each neon sign, street lamp, car headlight, LED billboard and TV accurate ray-traced lighting and shadows, bathing objects, walls, passing cars and pedestrians in accurate colored lighting

Ray-traced indirect lighting and reflections now bounce multiple times, compared to the previous solution’s single bounce. The result is even more accurate, realistic and immersive global illumination, reflections, and self-reflections

Ray-traced reflections are now rendered at full resolution, further improving their quality
Improved, more physically-based lighting removes the need for any other occlusion techniques

Wouldn't those features have to be built into the game first? You're not just gonna magically get that when you run a game using a 4090...

Unless they have some unreleased update of Cyberpunk...