Obama 'outraged' at AIG bonuses

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President Obama said he was 'choked up with anger'
US President Barack Obama has expressed anger at $165m (£116m) bonuses pledged to executives of bailed-out insurer AIG, calling the payments "an outrage".

"It's hard to understand how derivative traders at AIG warranted any bonuses, much less $165m in extra pay," he said.

He has told Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to "pursue every single legal avenue" to block the bonuses.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs later said AIG's next bailout payment could be altered to protect taxpayers.

He did not say how this could be achieved, but analysts say the government could reduce the payment - which is $30bn - by $165m, in order to force AIG to account for the bonuses in another way.

'Play by rules'

AIG announced the bonus payouts on Sunday.

In a speech which was intended to launch initiatives to help small businesses deal with the economic crisis, President Obama strongly criticised the company.

"All across the country, there are people who work hard and meet their responsibilities every day, without the benefit of government bailouts or multimillion-dollar bonuses," he said.

"And all they ask is that everyone, from Main Street to Wall Street to Washington, play by the same rules."

The $165m was payable to executives by Sunday and part of a larger total payout reportedly put at $450m.

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo now says he has issued legal papers demanding that AIG reveal the names of those receiving the bonuses - something which he says the firm has refused to do.

"When a company pays funds that the company effectively doesn't have, it's akin to a looting of a company," he said.

AIG has not yet commented on the legal move, but a spokeswoman said the firm was "in ongoing contact" with the attorney general.

'Outrageous'

AIG has received bailout payments from the US government totalling $180bn (£127bn) since coming close to collapse in 2008.

AIG boss Ed Liddy - who was installed by the government after the company got into trouble - earlier said the bonuses had to be paid to honour contracts signed before the financial crisis hit.

But Mr Liddy said bonuses for this year had been revamped and cut by as much as 30%.

However, such concessions have done little to appease angry senators.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said: "Did they enter into these contracts knowing full well that, as a practical matter, the taxpayers of the United States were going to be reimbursing their employees?

"Particularly employees who got them into this mess in the first place? I think it's an outrage."

Democrat Elijah Cummings was equally incensed: "It's like, OK, you got to help me screw you. And by the way I'm going to take your money and I'm going to slap you with it."

Just goes to show arrogant and greedy some people are. Reminds me of all the Eskom bigwigs getting bonus when we where having rolling power cuts.
 

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Big ups to Obama for this. It's like the situation we had with rolling blackouts and load shedding yet eskom fat cats got performance bonuses.
 

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I think that those people who are paying and receiving bonuses at AIG are stealing tax payers' money and they shoud be arrested, the bail out money they got was for AIG and not for their pockets, I think some law needs to be passed to make paying out bonuses - intended for rescuing the company - illegal.
 

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Let the company die. Capitalist companies need to play by capitalist rules. You cannot compete? You die.
 

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AIG boss Ed Liddy - who was installed by the government after the company got into trouble - earlier said the bonuses had to be paid to honour contracts signed before the financial crisis hit.

But Mr Liddy said bonuses for this year had been revamped and cut by as much as 30%.

Caught between a rock and a hard place.

Surely they could have hold off paying out the bonuses instead?
 

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Surely they could have hold off paying out the bonuses instead?
100%.

This kind of bad publicity can't be good for their business ... and it can't be that they are afraid of losing the execs - they're the ones who allowed the company to get into the dwang it's in in the first place.

There must have been a loophole they could've used ... something along the lines that AIG, as a company, simply doesn't have money to pay out bonuses.

And I'm even more surprised that there weren't controls in place to manage the bail-out funds
 

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This is fc uking criminal, and this is the reason why I was against the bail out. They should have let the bloody system collapse :mad:
 

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Surely the bonus are based on performance of the employee or company. I don't see how they can possible justify the paying of bonus even based on contractual agreements when the company lost $62 billion in the fourth quarter and $99 billion in all of 2008.

It says a lot about the character of any one of those chaps that would consider any form of legal action if they did not receive their contractual bonus.
 

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And people wonder why some people commit insurance fraud?
 

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Surely the bonus are based on performance of the employee or company. I don't see how they can possible justify the paying of bonus even based on contractual agreements when the company lost $62 billion in the fourth quarter and $99 billion in all of 2008.

It says a lot about the character of any one of those chaps that would consider any form of legal action if they did not receive their contractual bonus.

Just because the company didn't perform doesn't mean some of those individual employees who are entitled to bonuses didn't perform. If I were in their shoes I would also demand my bonus that I worked hard for. Not my problem if the company goes down the gutter I will find another job. Its not my company so its not my problem, if I had shares in said company it would be a different case.
 

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Just because the company didn't perform doesn't mean some of those individual employees who are entitled to bonuses didn't perform. If I were in their shoes I would also demand my bonus that I worked hard for. Not my problem if the company goes down the gutter I will find another job. Its not my company so its not my problem, if I had shares in said company it would be a different case.

So for your 100k or 1mil bonus you'd be perfectly happy to see your 999 colleagues unemployed? :sick: Nice, remind me not to work with you.
Oh and good luck on getting another job, because you'll have a lot of competition and very very few opportunities. Remember there are 10 other companies just like this that have closed up in the last few months.
 

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Just because the company didn't perform doesn't mean some of those individual employees who are entitled to bonuses didn't perform. If I were in their shoes I would also demand my bonus that I worked hard for. Not my problem if the company goes down the gutter I will find another job. Its not my company so its not my problem, if I had shares in said company it would be a different case.

I dunno hey... seems to me the bonuses are being paid to execs:
The $165m was payable to executives...
Being an executive implies some sort of responsibility/accountability for the running of the company if you ask me. Company's fsked ... why are execs getting bonuses for that
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wonder if local motor industry will get a government bailout, im sure they will also do a large bonus payout.
 

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Obamas approval rating is now lower than George W's at the same stage of Presidency. There is a correlation. He needs to walk the talk.
 

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Maybe they should get tar and feathers, mind you their problem was that they were covering the banks, but everyone knew it was a matter of time before it all came apart. funny how ppl like the WTO told countries with economic problems to cut back and raise interest rates... seems like the IMF has two sets of rules
 

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Obama is showing himself to be an absolute inebriate for this. AIG have already agreed to comply with fed demands regarding bonuses for 09, however they were contractually obliged to payout these bonuses for 08. It would have cost AIG a helluva lot more in lawsuits had they not paid out the bonuses and that would have been even more tax payers' money down the tubes. AIG chairman and many other senior executives forfeited their bonuses as well as a token of good will. The bonus structure was also explicitly included in their application to the fed, which was accepted due it being contractual - what an ass he is proving to be - he's merely telling the people what they want to hear.

Some of you need to think about this logically as opposed to emotionally...
 

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Just because the company didn't perform doesn't mean some of those individual employees who are entitled to bonuses didn't perform. If I were in their shoes I would also demand my bonus that I worked hard for. Not my problem if the company goes down the gutter I will find another job. Its not my company so its not my problem, if I had shares in said company it would be a different case.

Read the article carefully. It states executives. Executives have to engage brain before putting in the hard work, so they add value to the company (not just in the short-term). Engaging brain was something they, and clearly you too, didn't do.

I have a massive problem with exec remuneration, as they are rewarded with massive bonuses and share options, which give them the opportunity to make millions in the good times, with little or no downside risks.

IMHO, these executives should be paying money back into the company, as they were directly responsible for massive reduction in wealth.

As it is, these guys are getting massive cakes and stuffing their fat, bloated mouths with it.
 

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Are most of you aware that it was just one division that caused most of the **** for AIG? It was a division called AIGFP. AIG is massive and there are executives within each and every division. Not sure how many Managing Directors the company has, but I'd imagine the figure is close to the hundred mark all spread across various business units. You act as if they were all complicit in this crisis whereas they were not...
 
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