http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/12/03/russia.vote/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7124585.stm
Skeptiks man is up to mischief :>
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http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/12/03/russia.vote/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7124585.stm
Skeptiks man is up to mischief :>
Watched a CNN docie called Czar Putin and afterwards I was in two minds ... the chap is most definitely power hungry and an authoritarian but some of the people interviewed said that Russia needs a strong leader ... basically said that this pure Western democrasy would not work in Russia.
The journalist, Amanpour (sp?) said that the average Russian person's income had doubled, and admitedly the rich guys are now practically printing money as they are becoming stinking rich, but the fact remains that he is good for the economy.
If I were a Russian I may also be swayed to vote for Putin again even though I know he is a dictator ... it's tough if you were poor and now you can afford all sorts of luxury items to vote against him simply for the 'sake' of democracy. I'm in two minds ... cummon w1z4rd, bring in the big guns and convince me otherwise
The journalist, Amanpour (sp?) said that the average Russian person's income had doubled, and admitedly the rich guys are now practically printing money as they are becoming stinking rich, but the fact remains that he is good for the economy.
If I were a Russian I may also be swayed to vote for Putin again even though I know he is a dictator ... it's tough if you were poor and now you can afford all sorts of luxury items to vote against him simply for the 'sake' of democracy. I'm in two minds ... cummon w1z4rd, bring in the big guns and convince me otherwise
I just thought I would mention both Hitler and Stalin did major economic reforms that benifited their country... for a while. Though I can never say having a dictator at the helm is every a good idea. A strong leader yes, but as Hitler said, "what you obtain by force, you can not hold with democracy"
Nice quote w1z4rd ... I'm also hesitant about supporting Putin fully because if I think about SA's situation I'd support even the crooked Zuma over Mbheki just to have a shift in power but then I think about Iraq and the power vaccum that is left. Perhaps some nations need an autocratic ruler, I'm not so sure we can say that all cultures are compatible with democracy?
They are. The question is of timing and 'evolution'. Once all the foundations are in place it will come around.
Yeah comparing Putin to Stalin is rather ridiculous. Bit like Bush and Zuma
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They are. The question is of timing and 'evolution'. Once all the foundations are in place it will come around.
Yeah comparing Putin to Stalin is rather ridiculous. Bit like Bush and Zuma
I can see a couple of similarities.
Um... sorry to burst your bubble, but I was talking about economic reforms, not head count. In Stalins early days he turned Russian from Lenins country of paupers and serfs into an industrial super power, and until he went all psycho.. some actually thought he was doing a great job... a lot like your Putin
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I watched it too. It was VERY biased and inconsistent most of the way through and then suddenly became balanced towards the end.Watched a CNN docie called Czar Putin and afterwards I was in two minds ... the chap is most definitely power hungry and an authoritarian but some of the people interviewed said that Russia needs a strong leader ... basically said that this pure Western democrasy would not work in Russia.
The journalist, Amanpour (sp?) said that the average Russian person's income had doubled, and admitedly the rich guys are now practically printing money as they are becoming stinking rich, but the fact remains that he is good for the economy.
If I were a Russian I may also be swayed to vote for Putin again even though I know he is a dictator ... it's tough if you were poor and now you can afford all sorts of luxury items to vote against him simply for the 'sake' of democracy. I'm in two minds ... cummon w1z4rd, bring in the big guns and convince me otherwise
The Americans are being pretty provocative and trying to push their weight around. Russia would never be a pushover, so I don't see why Bush and his cronies keep doing it.
Skeptik.. I am ready to accept I may be wrong about Putin, that he is correct, that Europe and America and a whole lot of his people are lying. I actually in a way hope I am. Are you willing to admit that you may be wrong about the chap?
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Look, Russia has changed a heck-of-a-lot. The problem is that there are people who immediately respond in a certain way when the word is mentioned. Obviously the propaganda of the cold war is still fresh. -- what springs to mind when you think of Russia ?? --
The Russians are very warm, pragmatic and genuine people. They also love children. Russians are actually very similar to British people in their way of thinking and their humour. I often wondered why they were at loggerheads with the West. Now I know it was purely a conflict of ideologies and the West were actively painting them as the baddies in the situation by any means and lies possible. The secrets of the cold war are being revealed, bit by bit and one can see both sides more clearly. In fact, many things were done by the West that I view as quite shameful.
People need to visit, learn the language and interact with them to see their point of view without suspicion.
Putin has been very good for the country and he built up support in the country from a shakey start. Russian politics is complex and diverse, and Putin has to please them all - that's the way the Duma works. He has to look tough in front of Bush, yet he has to trade with the EU. Old enemies, such as Poland, always try and take a swipe. You have to know the background before listening to the views of other countries.
+ Knowing the people and the language helps tremendously.
Russia has HUGE potential. I just wish I had a passport.
Agree 100% with you.
I have family in St. Petersburg.
Are you waiting for DHA to issue a passport ?
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Priviet. kaak dyla?
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It's not "kaak" ... "k a k" is closer, like in our language (LOL )
I'm not fluent yet - it's a tricky language. Even the writing system is different - but uses some of the same letters to add to the confusion.
@blueghost .. no, I would need to marry a Russian - and even then there is no certainty. Citizenship is guarded. Even more so with all the foreigners arriving from Georgia and Abkhazia etc..
I spent 6 months in Peterburg. Nice place, but the people didn't look healthy at all - I prefer Moscow.
)I'm not fluent yet - it's a tricky language. Even the writing system is different - but uses some of the same letters to add to the confusion.
@blueghost .. no, I would need to marry a Russian - and even then there is no certainty. Citizenship is guarded. Even more so with all the foreigners arriving from Georgia and Abkhazia etc..
I spent 6 months in Peterburg. Nice place, but the people didn't look healthy at all - I prefer Moscow.
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Luckily I don't need to speak Russian to talk with my family there
Might go during winter - or else take up backpacking in Israel.
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It's not "kaak" ... "k a k" is closer, like in our language (LOL
I'm not fluent yet - it's a tricky language. Even the writing system is different - but uses some of the same letters to add to the confusion.
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Yeah ure right about the kaak. the freeken forum thought i was swearing, hehe, so i changed it. fyi the response to that is horosho.
I spent 3 years learning Russian.. can read their alphabet (except when they write in their version of cursive)
Personally I love Russians, but Ill look you right in the eye and tell you Putin is bad news. If not for the Ruble then for democracy.
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