Official Arsenal FC Supporters Thread II

[Rubberpigg]

From someone on Twitter.
Not sure how accurate the figures are though.

Ozil's injury history at his former clubs:

Schalke: Out for 7 days in total

Bremen: 29 days

Real Madrid: 0 days

Arsenal: 133 (including this latest injury)

 

[poffle]

wtf, how can our guys just get injured all the time. Its so flippen annoying. They saying Ozil could miss the rest of 2014.... really come now man.

Ah well, at least we can lower our expectations a bit

 

[Maverick Jester]

I'm not going to overlook the possibility that the Emirates was in fact built on an ancient Saxon burial ground. There literally is NO logical explanation for the immense number of injuries we've had. Something like 889 in the last few years?

Actually, there is- poor training methods.

 

[diggitydaz]

Actually, there is- poor training methods.

How would you know ?

 

[RexxGrim]

Actually, there is- poor training methods.

So how do you figure our training methods are so radically different from other clubs.

You recon Wenger's got the team doing "Kamp Staaldraad" 24/7?

I think it's a combintion of a lot of factors.

- Popular strategy against us is to make a game over physical. We get a lot of impact injuries.
- On average we don't have biggest players.
- A lot of youngsters start regularly, sometimes at a level they're just physically ready for. Look at young Ramsey, Gibbs, Ox, Wilshere, Walcott. All of them struggled with injuries.
- Snowball effect. Injuries means you're over using the fit players. Overuse leads to more injuries.
- Just the basic size of our squad. Every season we go into the season short in certain areas. Last year it was strikers, this year it's in defense. (Ties in with snowball effect)
- Lack of proper rotation, ties in with size of squad & snowball effect.
- Training methods? Maybe it plays a small part, it's just difficult to understand. Wenger has these players on specilized diets. We've got WC training facilities and Medical facilities that was upgraded not long ago.
- Some bad luck thrown in I suppose.

 

[RexxGrim]

The arrival of Arsene Wenger in 1996 certainly heralded a change in English football. He was very successful very quickly, and suddenly all the talk was about his revolutionary new training methods.

He only trains for an hour… does everything on the stopwatch… the players are wearing heart monitors at training… he gives them supplements… Prozone is one of the biggest changes.

We all know Harry knows what he's talking about.

 

[Maverick Jester]

So how do you figure our training methods are so radically different from other clubs.

A friend of mine said something that while funny, was sort of oddly correct: Arsenal players don't eat their pap.

I think it's a combintion of a lot of factors.

- Popular strategy against us is to make a game over physical. We get a lot of impact injuries.
- On average we don't have biggest players.
- A lot of youngsters start regularly, sometimes at a level they're just physically ready for. Look at young Ramsey, Gibbs, Ox, Wilshere, Walcott. All of them struggled with injuries.
- Snowball effect. Injuries means you're over using the fit players. Overuse leads to more injuries.
- Just the basic size of our squad. Every season we go into the season short in certain areas. Last year it was strikers, this year it's in defense. (Ties in with snowball effect)
- Lack of proper rotation, ties in with size of squad & snowball effect.
- Training methods? Maybe it plays a small part, it's just difficult to understand. Wenger has these players on specilized diets. We've got WC training facilities and Medical facilities that was upgraded not long ago.
- Some bad luck thrown in I suppose.

I agree with this list in principle, but a lot of that can be remedied- points 2, 3, and 5 in particular.

On point 4, the snowball effect- I sort of agree, but again, can be remedied by the coach bringing in players to ease the burden on the artificially smaller squad.

All the big teams are subjected to more physical games from the smaller teams, it's not exclusive to Arsenal. But you look at a player like Özil- how is it that he averaged more than 50 games a season for Real Madrid, and did not have a single period of injury that I can find, despite being more fouled than he is in the Premier League? It's just strange.

 

[Gnarls]

^so his shortened preseason played no part?

 

[RexxGrim]

My point is basically that training methods has a very small if any impact on these injuries. Comes down to squad size and lack of rotation.

Wenger has all the tech available. He has by his own admission played Wilshere, when against the better judgement of his fitness staff, Jack was in the Red Zone*.

Arsene breaks the players not by training methods, but rather over playing them imo. He says that he has a big squad, but he only trusts a few players to start.

Currently we've got 29 players in the squad. Wenger doesn't trust atleast 10 of those 29 players to start a premier league game.
Of the 19 players that Wenger trusts to start a game other than the Capital one cup, 7 are injured. Leaving us with basically 12 players for match day. The team that played Chelsea + Oxlade.

That people is just ****ing insane for team that wants to compete in 4 competions and playing twice a week.

 

[Wall]

Is there any statistics that can back up the claim that arsenal players get injured more frequently and are out for longer periods?

 

[RanzB]

Is there any statistics that can back up the claim that arsenal players get injured more frequently and are out for longer periods?

Can we use the bitching that goes on in this thread?

 

[RexxGrim]

Can we use the bitching that goes on in this thread?

Haha....I was going to say: "Just do a search for key word "injury" in any of the Arsenal threads.

 

[Wall]

The guys in lfc thread asked which player next would get injured on England duty. I would piss myself if it was Welbeck

 

[Maverick Jester]

^so his shortened preseason played no part?

He had a shortened preseason in 2010 yet still played 53 games for Real Madrid.

 

[Maverick Jester]

The guys in lfc thread asked which player next would get injured on England duty. I would piss myself if it was Welbeck

Na, Welbeck was injured last time, remember?

 

[Maverick Jester]

My point is basically that training methods has a very small if any impact on these injuries. Comes down to squad size and lack of rotation.

Wenger has all the tech available. He has by his own admission played Wilshere, when against the better judgement of his fitness staff, Jack was in the Red Zone*.

Arsene breaks the players not by training methods, but rather over playing them imo. He says that he has a big squad, but he only trusts a few players to start.

Currently we've got 29 players in the squad. Wenger doesn't trust atleast 10 of those 29 players to start a premier league game.
Of the 19 players that Wenger trusts to start a game other than the Capital one cup, 7 are injured. Leaving us with basically 12 players for match day. The team that played Chelsea + Oxlade.

That people is just ****ing insane for team that wants to compete in 4 competions and playing twice a week.

And of the players that he regularly fields, they too have their own long term injury histories, making it that much more likely that a recurrence of the injury may take place. I thought that this article was rather interesting in how it looked at various aspects that do add to the entire injury situation at Arsenal.

 

[RexxGrim]

He had a shortened preseason in 2010 yet still played 53 games for Real Madrid.

Can't really compare playing for Madrid in La Liga to playing for Arsenal in the EPL. How many tough fixture do you think Madrid has on the calendar compared to Arsenal.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Can't really compare playing for Madrid in La Liga to playing for Arsenal in the EPL. How many tough fixture do you think Madrid has on the calendar compared to Arsenal.

In the context of shortened preseason- yes, you can.

Define "tough". Not Özil's fault that the team he now plays for is not at the same level as his former team.

 

[Wall]

In the context of shortened preseason- yes, you can.

Define "tough". Not Özil's fault that the team he now plays for is not at the same level as his former team.

tough as in getting lumps kicked into you by cattermole or charlie adam

 

[RexxGrim]

In the context of shortened preseason- yes, you can.

Define "tough". Not Özil's fault that the team he now plays for is not at the same level as his former team.

Madrid won 7 games by scoring 5 or more goals that season. When you're steam rolling teams you hardly exert yourself. Madrid plays Barca and Athletio twice in the league. High intensity matches. Maybe another Madrid derby I'm not aware off.

How many high intensity fixtures does Arsenal have. United, City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool. How many walks in the park?

Some stats from the post world cup season.

Ozil under Mourinho at Real Madrid in the entire 2010/11 season completed 90 minues only 8 times. 12 times including Champions League games.

I can count on one hand how many times Wenger has substituted Ozil.

Wenger doesn't break them in training he breaks them on match day.