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AthenianOwl
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Shut up, you're not even in the CL. Or even the Europa.
I've put him on ignore. Really doesn't add anything to this forum other than trolling. Suggest you do the same.
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So where do we go from here? Who do we blame? Monreal? He's a LB, has always been a LB, and will always be a LB. He publicly stated that a can NOT play at CB. Yet, because AW decided to let Sanga and TV5 go, but most importantly chose to not get any cover in (he can go **** himself with "there was no-one available" comment), he had to force Nacho into an unfamiliar position. And the end result is calamitous. Their first goal was quite possibly the furthest offside I've ever seen someone, where the goal stood. A linesman has ONE ****ing job. ONE! And then UEFA employs another knob right on the goal line for just in case the linesman ****s it up. He did, and so did the other guy, who was 6yrds away. So we can put that down to bad officiating (again). Their second goal was Nacho just being Nacho - not going to argue too much about that one. It was a stupid challenge, even though their guy made a meal of it. The third was a good ball in, but how the hell did he not at least get a LIMB to the ****ing ball before they headed it in?!
Oh jeez. I'm just done. **** Arsene Wenger, seriously. We've snatched a draw from the jaws of victory.
Oh jeez. I'm just done. **** Arsene Wenger, seriously. We've snatched a draw from the jaws of victory.
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That's not what I said. My issue is that he still has plenty of time to earn a new deal, but is being given one of the basis of not much.
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Fifteen times burnt, twice shy.
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3-0 up, and sure the first goal was miles offside, but conceding two more is pretty shocking.
On the bright side- while you didn't wrap qualification up early, you could still take top spot if Dortmund ease up in their final two games (including one at the Emirates). All to play for. Arsenal just need a point to qualify anyway.
On the bright side- while you didn't wrap qualification up early, you could still take top spot if Dortmund ease up in their final two games (including one at the Emirates). All to play for. Arsenal just need a point to qualify anyway.
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I would have understood if he had a year left on his deal, but he still has 18 months- and three quarters of a season to put in a shift that earns an increase. It hands the leverage to the player doing it now, when the off season (with ample evidence of performance) would give Arsenal the upper hand. Their wage bill is already quite skewed.
Also, if they are so keen to tie him down- why didn't they do it during the time he was injured? It's not like he had much else to do besides rehab...
I'm all for keeping your best players, but I also believe that said players should earn their corn.
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basically andarlecht just gave us a taste of our own medicine. Lose 70 minutes of the game, come back in the last 20.
TBH, the whole game whenever we weren't passing around in their half. they were looking like they might nab one on the break like teams always seem to so I'm not really that surprised. As long as Wenger continues to run this 4-1-4-1 with the sh*tty DM's we have (look at how much space we give even bad teams), you can expect more implosions like this.
TBH, the whole game whenever we weren't passing around in their half. they were looking like they might nab one on the break like teams always seem to so I'm not really that surprised. As long as Wenger continues to run this 4-1-4-1 with the sh*tty DM's we have (look at how much space we give even bad teams), you can expect more implosions like this.
His contract expires June 2016 which means, come the off season he'll have a year left on his contract. When a player has a year left on his contract the club basically have zero leverage and have a massive risk of losing a player on a free transfer.
Irrespective of your opinion of Wallcott he is still a pretty valuable asset in the current market. Not a player you'ed like to lose on a free transfer.
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If he comes back and performs well, he could use his soon-to-be-over contract as a chip to lure other clubs to the table. Then if Arsenal want to keep him they'll really have to pay. Also, 18 months really isn't that long. 12 months away from a Bosman.
How much do you think Arsene wants a bidding war with City/United?
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Would take him at United any day. He's turned into a dangerous player, a far cry from the days when everyone thought him to be a headless chicken. Giving him playing time to prove he's still as dangerous will put other clubs in the hunt. Especially when City and United are throwing wages at players.
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My issue isn't with the timing of his deal in relation to the duration of his existing contract, its that it is being done on the basis of zero performances for nearly a year. Due to that, I feel that the club should have taken a different stance in renewing his deal. I'll explain further below.
The corollary of course, is that Walcott doesn't perform well, but is stuck on a bumper deal ala Mesut Özil (and to an extent, Abou Diaby). It's not like Walcott is currently earning peanuts, either- he is one of Arsenal's highest paid players, and his reported new wage would see him earn similar money to Özil.
I'm not suggesting Arsenal allow Walcott to leave, or shortchange him in any way- but he should earn an increase, especially after being out for so long and not proving that he has the fitness nor consistency to justify an increased wage (or extended contract, for that matter). A similar example I can provide is a certain Wayne Rooney.
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The club obviously thinks it's a priority to make sure he doesn't leave. Also, we don't know for sure the minutiae of his contract.
Also, it's a risk any club takes with any player, especially when it comes to wages. Could get crocked the day after his signing, out for most of his career at that club.
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True, and I'm not ignoring those facets- I guess I just want footballers to earn their wages, dammit!
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True, and I'm not ignoring those facets- I guess I just want footballers to earn their wages, dammit!
Never gonna happen
The timing of the deal in relation to his existing contract unfortunately trumps other factors is you want to keep the player. It's as simple as that.
If you don't want to keep the player then tell him to prove himself before you give him a new contract.
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