Official Arsenal FC Supporters Thread

[nivek]

Barca taught Cesc the basics, Wenger turned him into a finished product

 

[phiber]

Cantera won't be able to spot a good non-spanish player if he kicked him in the FACE! Just remember, Messi was good when he joined Barca from Old Boys (aged 13) Him and Cesc were both ready for first team action aged 15, so Barca thought him, but he was also poached out of their academy and put into Barcas academy. Remember Cesc wasn't just dropped into the first team when he arrived at arsenal, he did get a few first team games, but did a lot of youth and reserve work, before moving up into the first team.

 

[Tarantula]

Yeah, sorry Cantera Old Boys taught Messi everything he knows, not Barca. He has Old Boys DNA.

If you can honestly stand by the argument that Barcelona made Cesc the player he is today, then I am completely lost for words. Barca undoubtedly made Messi the great player he is today. Atleast give Arsenal and Wenger the respect and acknowledgement they deserve of how well Cesc has been groomed at Arsenal and the player he has become there.

 

[fishfly]

lol this argument is like saying Everton made the boy Rooney is today...

Sporting made who Ronaldo is today,

São Paulo made who ***a is today!

Manchester City made who Ryan Giggs is today!

Do I need to go on?

Point is anyone can kick a soccer ball, anyone can be told how to kick and how to score but no matter how talented you are you'll never be the best without the right coach!

Case in hand: Ryan Babel, Ricardo Queserma, etc

 

[proximiti99]

Cantera seems awfully quite all of a sudden

 

[fishfly]

cos he doesn't have INET at work so to speak... or maybe the manager realised he spends all his time punting Barca all day long on the forum (and the manager is a RM fan) and decided to block the site

 

[Cantera]

Just because they aren't part of Barcelona, don't think they weren't great at their time.

David O Leary:

Tony Adams:

Just because their name isn't Xavi or Iniesta, don't write them off. Educate yourself.

Those players can not be classed with the Ronaldo's, K.a.K.a's, Xavi's of this world. They were good for their clubs and thats about it. Show me players who were produced that changed the world of football. That will go down in history as legends of the world game.

Barca taught Cesc the basics, Wenger turned him into a finished product

I think it was a bit more than the basics. If you watch Cesc play, it is identical to the way all Cantera from the academy play.

Cantera won't be able to spot a good non-spanish player if he kicked him in the FACE! Just remember, Messi was good when he joined Barca from Old Boys (aged 13) Him and Cesc were both ready for first team action aged 15, so Barca thought him, but he was also poached out of their academy and put into Barcas academy. Remember Cesc wasn't just dropped into the first team when he arrived at arsenal, he did get a few first team games, but did a lot of youth and reserve work, before moving up into the first team.

I love football dude. i Loved Cantona, Zidanne, Zola etc. All players that made you take note of them. You are extremely wrong regarding Messi.

I have been a Messi supporter since he was 13 years old. Not once in my entire life has he ever said he owed anything or that Newell’s Old Boys’ has taught him anything. He has said over and over again every opportunity he gets that he owes EVERYTHING to the Barca youth academy. He has vowed to play his entire career at Barca because of what the club has taught him and how they have developed him.

If you look at the history of players Barca has produced over the years, only a fool will think that Messi was developed by another club. It is no surprise that Cesc plays the way he does or that Wenger wants to turn Arsenal into a Barcelona.

I have read countless articles on how Wenger admires the Barcelona model and how he wants to implement the same youth system into Arsenal.

lol this argument is like saying Everton made the boy Rooney is today...

Sporting made who Ronaldo is today,

São Paulo made who ***a is today!

Manchester City made who Ryan Giggs is today!

Do I need to go on?

Point is anyone can kick a soccer ball, anyone can be told how to kick and how to score but no matter how talented you are you'll never be the best without the right coach!

Case in hand: Ryan Babel, Ricardo Queserma, etc

You will never get any Barca supporter to admit that Cesc was developed by Wenger. Sure Wenger helped him alot but the boy has Barca blood. His movement and the way he reads a game all started in La Masia.

Cantera seems awfully quite all of a sudden

Not quiet. Just got home now.

cos he doesn't have INET at work so to speak... or maybe the manager realised he spends all his time punting Barca all day long on the forum (and the manager is a RM fan) and decided to block the site

Working my ass off of late.

 

[fishfly]

Working my ass off of late.

that sounds familar... I'm still working

 

[RanzB]

Those players can not be classed with the Ronaldo's, K.a.K.a's, Xavi's of this world. They were good for their clubs and thats about it. Show me players who were produced that changed the world of football. That will go down in history as legends of the world game.

As usual, you turn your argument to deflect away from your misguided initial question - you asked for 5 worth mentioning, and if they aren't worth it to you - you don't know football. As I mentioned before, Adams was included in the Football League 100 Legends, with names such as Shilton, Hurst, Best, Charlton and Cantona.

I think it was a bit more than the basics. If you watch Cesc play, it is identical to the way all Cantera from the academy play.

Really? Really? Seems odd then that Barca wants Cesc to come back so desperately if, according to you, every player in the academy plays identically to him. Such a waste

I have been a Messi supporter since he was 13 years old.

Messi supporter since he was 13? What, he gave you a call when he left Argentina? I call bullsh|t. Please, explain to me how you heard of/saw Messi playing in 2000.

 

[Cantera]

As usual, you turn your argument to deflect away from your misguided initial question - you asked for 5 worth mentioning, and if they aren't worth it to you - you don't know football. As I mentioned before, Adams was included in the Football League 100 Legends, with names such as Shilton, Hurst, Best, Charlton and Cantona.



Really? Really? Seems odd then that Barca wants Cesc to come back so desperately if, according to you, every player in the academy plays identically to him. Such a waste



Messi supporter since he was 13? What, he gave you a call when he left Argentina? I call bullsh|t. Please, explain to me how you heard of/saw Messi playing in 2000.

I dont consider those 5 players worth mentioning. Do you rate them with the Cantona's, Ronaldo's, Henry's of the game?

I dont give a rats ass if Cesc comes back, everybody knows its a POLITICAL move. If it wasnt election year, it would just be the normal speculation that has haunted Cesc his entire life about coming back to Barca.

I have been supporting my team long enough, saw the Messi deal go through and also watched him progress through the ranks. I saw Messi play in Barcelona when he was 14. I dont care if you believe me or not.

 

[Tarantula]

Bla bla bla. This has gone on for way too long. Please go to the Barca thread to chat Barca. Its not relevant here.

Liverpool tomorrow night gents. Big game and a must win. Can only hope Bendtner starts with Arshavin on the left. Arsha has been quiet of late but he has a habit of scoring against Pooh. I'd also start with Rosicky instead of Walcott.

C'mon Gunners! Lets get back to winning again.

 

[phiber]

Liverpool tomorrow night gents. Big game and a must win. Can only hope Bendtner starts with Arshavin on the left. Arsha has been quiet of late but he has a habit of scoring against Pooh. I'd also start with Rosicky instead of Walcott.

C'mon Gunners! Lets get back to winning again.

Yea, would like to see a proper striker, hope Bendtner is ready. If he is he better prove himself! Walcott must be kept for last 20 mins, if we need the pace. Would also like to see Cesc, Diaby and Song start in the center with arsh on the left and Roskicy on the right. Denilson and Nasri must stew on the bench, gave them some good game time recently and its clear they need to go do some work on the training ground.

 

[poolmania]

I've been down this road with Genius. You're all wasting your time.

I'll be happy with a 1-1 scoreline tonight.

 

[poffle]

Ill be happy with 10-0 haha. Nah i really dont have any faith right now with arsenal. if we manage to win this then liverpool should be worried.

 

[AMG133]

I also have no faith in Arsenal our last 2 visits to the Emirates in the league were good and we deserved more than a point on both occasions, last season Gerrard missed a sitter whilst the season before we had a B team playing and we were all over them. Though Im not completely writing off LeArse but we always seem at times to have the upper hand but never take full advantage like how Chelsea & Utd have managed to.

 

[R13...]

Ill be happy with 10-0 haha. Nah i really dont have any faith right now with arsenal. if we manage to win this then liverpool should be worried.

It's not like liverpool have exactly been on fire themselves lately - they past few games were scrappy affairs. They be lucky to come away with a point tonight.

 

[RanzB]

 

[Cantera]

Catalan sports tabloid Sport reports this morning that Arsenal are set to step up their interest in Barcelona’s 18-year-old attacking midfielder Gai Assulin.

The young Israeli playmaker is out of contract at the end of the 2009/2010 season and Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has been known to be an admirer of Assulin for some time now.

Assulin has been available to sign a new deal with a foreign club since January 1, 2010 and although the young starlet is keen to stay at the Camp Nou, Arsenal are committed to making the signing.

The youngest ever Israeli international (Assulin made his debut for the national side at 16) has spent much of the season training with the Barcelona first team and although he played his first official match for the first team in the Copa del Rey match against Cultural Leonesa on 28 October 2009, he hasn’t made an appearance in the Spanish Primera Division or the Champions League.


Talks between Assulin’s agent, Pini Zahavi, and Barcelona are expected in the next two weeks and Arsenal are keeping a keen eye on developments.

The 18-year-old attacking midfielder is one of the most highly rated youngsters at the Nou Camp and he has made rare appearances for the first team this season in pre-season friendlies and the Copa del Rey. He moved to Barcelona at the age of 12, and proved his abilities during the 2007/2008 season with Barcelona B, when he scored nine goals in 24 appearances.

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has a history of poaching Barcelona’s youngest stars, most famously with current Gunners captain Cesc Fabregas as well as Fran Merida.

 

[RanzB]

As usual, no source cited. Anyway, if Barca don't offer him what he wants, what's wrong with Arsenal wanting to?

 

[Cantera]

As usual, no source cited. Anyway, if Barca don't offer him what he wants, what's wrong with Arsenal wanting to?

You want a source? Take your pick, they all over the net.

Interesting transfer news are out and it has been reported that Barcelona starlet Gai Assulin is now a target for Premier League club Arsenal.

Local British newspapers have reported that the Gunners are keeping tabs on Barcelona’s speedy Israeli winger.

The 18-year-old, who made his Israel debut at 16, snubbed a move to Chelsea in 2007

http://www.totalfootballmadness.com/2009/11/12/arsenal-interested-in-barcelona-starlet-gai-assulin/