Official British & Irish Lions Tour Thread

[APoc184]

Yes, there was lots and lots of red.

Their singing was truly awesome. Gave us goosebumps numerous times.

 

[APoc184]

"I'm not concerned about his form, he may have made a blunder but so did a few other players," he said in reply to a question why he had fielded Januarie. "What I learned in South Africa is, if you take your car to a garage and the owner is black or a black man, and they mess it up, you never go back to that garage. If the owner is white, you say ag, sorry, they made a mistake and you go back again. This is how some people live their lives in this country."

Another beauty of a comment from PDivvy. He has been called before SARU to explain his comments.

 

[LancelotSA]

What won the game for us yesterday?
Experience or young players(Steyn, Brussow) that are on form?

The 15 players on the field as well as the replacements that came on. One player cannot win a rugby match. Brussouw would not have got his hands on the ball without the other players around them. Steyn would not have been in the position to slot that penalty without Du Preez having the sense (and experience) to jump in the air to gather that kick.

Yes, Brussouw and Steyn played well.... as part of the greater team.

 

[LancelotSA]

Yes, there was lots and lots of red.

Their singing was truly awesome. Gave us goosebumps numerous times.

We need a photo from their side! All the SA flags were on this side.

PS You sound like a bit of a turncoat!

 

[APoc184]

PS You sound like a bit of a turncoat!

:erm: Okay

 

[Kabraal]

Oh please man .... last week Pienaar was brilliant and everyone was singing his praises. Today he, like the whole bloody team, have an off time and the Morne-heads are out in full force

Well please pull your head out of your shark ass and give some credit where credit is due. Just like we did last week for Pienaar. Is it that hard for you guys to do?

Provinsiolism... a terrible thing.

 

[Pieter2008]

Nope you are wrong.

http://www.sareferees.co.za/laws/laws/740043.htm

wtf?

I think we can agree that he made no effort to go for the ball.

(e) A player must not tackle an opponent whose feet are off the ground.

Exception: A player is permitted to attempt to tackle a player who is in possession of the ball and is in the act of diving in an attempt to score a try.
Penalty: Penalty Kick

I'm no expert but that rule you quoted, as understood by me, refers to when a player is about to jump into the air or is in the motion of the jump. Like when you would pull down the opposing player going for the ball in a line-out or when he's going for the ball from a kick-off. The Title of the rule is a bit misleading.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Well please pull your head out of your shark ass and give some credit where credit is due. Just like we did last week for Pienaar. Is it that hard for you guys to do?

Provinsiolism... a terrible thing.

lol, how sad Maybe you should read the part where I say how much I respect Morne Steyn before passing inane comment eh

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Anyway, I see that Bakkies and Schalk have been cited ...... funny how Sheridan, O' Gara and O' Driscoll don't get cited hey

 

[APoc184]

Anyway, I see that Bakkies and Schalk have been cited ...... funny how Sheridan, O' Gara and O' Driscoll don't get cited hey

Awaiting the result now. The hearing was at 12h00.

 

[Fiekus]

Anyway, I see that Bakkies and Schalk have been cited ...... funny how Sheridan, O' Gara and O' Driscoll don't get cited hey

exactly! Sheridan punched Bekker right in front of the TJ and he was involved in every incident... but yet they spot Bakkies

 

[Zyzzyva]

Bias against the springboks is just a fact of life it seems. We always get the bad end of the ugly stick.

But on another topic, these hard games should stand us in very good stead come tri-nations.

 

[LancelotSA]

wtf?

I think we can agree that he made no effort to go for the ball.

(e) A player must not tackle an opponent whose feet are off the ground.

Exception: A player is permitted to attempt to tackle a player who is in possession of the ball and is in the act of diving in an attempt to score a try.
Penalty: Penalty Kick

I'm no expert but that rule you quoted, as understood by me, refers to when a player is about to jump into the air or is in the motion of the jump. Like when you would pull down the opposing player going for the ball in a line-out or when he's going for the ball from a kick-off. The Title of the rule is a bit misleading.

Um, your post confused me. I am really not sure whether you are agreeing or disagreeing. Not that you can really disagree as it was the laws of rugby I quoted. Which is pretty much the same thing you did!

I think the law is pretty self explanatory really.....

Tackling the jumper in the air. A player must not tackle or tap or push or pull the foot or feet of an opponent jumping for the ball in a line-out or in open play.
Penalty: Penalty Kick

And then to refer it back to the question of whether O'Gara should have been penalised, which is how the topic came up. YES, it was a penalty! He took Fourie Du Preez's legs from under him while he was in the air fielding a kick. Not really sure where the confusion is coming in. The law you were so kind as to quote says exactly the same thing! the only way O'Gara could have got away with it is he either waited for Du Preez to land before touching/tackling him or he too could have jumped for the ball. If they both collided in the air it would be fine as it was as a result of going for the ball. O'Gara did not once look up for the ball. PENALTY.

 

[LancelotSA]

Well please pull your head out of your shark ass and give some credit where credit is due. Just like we did last week for Pienaar. Is it that hard for you guys to do?

Provinsiolism... a terrible thing.

lol, how sad Maybe you should read the part where I say how much I respect Morne Steyn before passing inane comment eh

I'm with you on this one Mephisto.

But further to this I am not really sure where all the credit that is due comes from! Steyn was on for Ruan from the 61st minute. In these 19 minutes of rugby the thing he did that was most memorable and credit deserving was the final penalty. Yes, it was huge. Yes, it was awesome. But should we all really be bowing and scraping as a result of one kick. Next week he could just as easily miss an important kick. Should we then discard him.

This appears to be Mephisto's point (if I may be so forward as to interpret his comments). Ruan was great last week and, perhaps (if kicking is the only criteria) not so great this week. If anyone is showing signs of provincialism it is the ones who constantly make calls for all the Bulls to be Bokke!

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Nail on the head Lance

 

[killadoob]

Lance do you not think though it would be in the best interest of the boks to at least give steyn the chance to show he is better?

Would you not like to know without a shadow of a doubt that steyn or pienaar are the correct men for the job? i know i would.

 

[LancelotSA]

Lance do you not think though it would be in the best interest of the boks to at least give steyn the chance to show he is better?

Would you not like to know without a shadow of a doubt that steyn or pienaar are the correct men for the job? i know i would.

Yip, for sure which is why Steyn is in the squad.

My view is that you do not just come from Super 14 and get given a starting position in the Bok team. Other players have spent time earning their positions. You do it the way the Boks are doing it now. You show your worth outside of test level. You then force your way into the squad and are allowed to train with the Boks and learn the ropes. You then eventually get your chance to sit on the bench and perhaps if you are lucky get a chance to run on for a few minutes to show what you can do. If you pass this test you eventually get your chance to start. As is often pointed out by past and present test players, test rugby is vastly different to other rugby, even the highly rated Super 14.

Should Kockett not be given a chance to show he is better than Ricky or Fourie? Should Kankowski not be given a chance to show he is better than Spies? The Ndungane brothers? No one person is bigger than Springbok rugby as a whole. The same applies to Steyn. As much as the Bulls fans love him, he needs to pay his dues!

Once in a lifetime test matches against the Lions is not the time to experiment which possible stars.... yes, he has shown his ability but has Ruan done enough for him to deserve to lose his position?

 

[Zyzzyva]

"Ruan or steyn" is not the issue. Our tactics are ludicrous.

Kick up and under, chase, but don't catch the ball, defend like trojans, rise, kick and repeat.

Sport is simple. Do alot of what is going to have the highest percentage of success. If we kick 20 up and unders and only 1 gets caught then we need to do something else.

Defending should be the thing you do when you make a mistake and the other team gets the ball, and not the thing you do by default when you kick all of your possession away.

 

[Pieter2008]

Um, your post confused me. I am really not sure whether you are agreeing or disagreeing. Not that you can really disagree as it was the laws of rugby I quoted. Which is pretty much the same thing you did!

I think the law is pretty self explanatory really.....



And then to refer it back to the question of whether O'Gara should have been penalised, which is how the topic came up. YES, it was a penalty! He took Fourie Du Preez's legs from under him while he was in the air fielding a kick. Not really sure where the confusion is coming in. The law you were so kind as to quote says exactly the same thing! the only way O'Gara could have got away with it is he either waited for Du Preez to land before touching/tackling him or he too could have jumped for the ball. If they both collided in the air it would be fine as it was as a result of going for the ball. O'Gara did not once look up for the ball. PENALTY.

I was trigger-post happy. Thought you were disagreeing that it should have been a penalty.
I thought you quoted killadoob's post above yours as being wrong, when in fact it was gdiza.

my bad

 

[LancelotSA]

I was trigger-post happy. Thought you were disagreeing that it should have been a penalty.
I thought you quoted killadoob's post above yours as being wrong, when in fact it was gdiza.

my bad

Ha ha no problem. I thought that might have been the case as we seemed to be saying the same thing