Official Liverpool FC Supporters Thread II

[Wall]

Thought Lucas was quite good again. Damn good destroyer.

he was great at shielding the defence.

some interesting stats I saw on another forum

The bottom line is this: Lucas, playing as a defensive midfielder this season, stops 7.8 attacks per 90 mins. Gerrard, in the same positions, stops 2.6 attacks per 90 mins. He simply gets in the way of a lot more than others and that's what you want from your defensive midfielder.

With Lucas, we've played 10, W7, D1 & L2.

Without him, we've played 11, W2, D2 & L7.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Everything about this goal is just awful: http://giant.gfycat.com/GrouchyTiredAustralianshelduck.gif

 

[cooler1987]

Pinned down in our own half at times by ten men Leicester, winning against ten men, bringing on a nervous defender. Yes we must be on a run. We will not beat United like this wait I forgot about the other two games before United.
On a run to a really bad hiding - BR doesn't have a clue

AT ALL

 

[AfricanTech]

he was great at shielding the defence.

some interesting stats I saw on another forum

This.

I wouldn't be surprised If Toure had similar stats. A lot of our woes have been defenders who don't know what their primary job is / can't execute their primary job properly.

 

[hawker]

he was great at shielding the defence.

some interesting stats I saw on another forum

Saw that post on reddit it too. It's kinda useless stat.

The more useful stat is the one where Lucas stops 7.8 attacks a game playing as DM whereas Gerrard only stops 2.8 attacks playing as DM.

 

[craigdoepie]

Saw that post on reddit it too. It's kinda useless stat.

The more useful stat is the one where Lucas stops 7.8 attacks a game playing as DM whereas Gerrard only stops 2.8 attacks playing as DM.

Gerrard actually had quite a good game last night. Not the total brilliance he is capable of, but good.

Hope Rodgers sticks with Lucas and does anybody know what happened to Borini ?

 

[mercurial]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-as-Liverpool-goalkeeper-feels-the-heat.html

 

[Vis1/0N]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-as-Liverpool-goalkeeper-feels-the-heat.html

I had the same thought last night. A lol then the usual face palm. I don't understand the praise for his shot stopping. All goalies do it and are expected to do so regularly. Reina was mostly great except the occasional brain farts in his decision making. Mignolet lacks ability - can't distribute well, can't play with ball at his feet, doesn't win the ball much, shuffles like a purple dinosaur. Stops shots.

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I did not follow Southampton last season. Was Lovren's defensive game the same - ie stop the ball going forward but when doing so play it to the opposition to recycle?

 

[hawker]

I did not follow Southampton last season. Was Lovren's defensive game the same - ie stop the ball going forward but when doing so play it to the opposition to recycle?

Lovren was helped last season by having two very good defensive midfielders in front of him (Wanyama and Schneiderlin).

Probably made him look better than he actually is.

 

[RanzB]

Lovren was helped last season by having two very good defensive midfielders in front of him (Wanyama and Schneiderlin).

Probably made him look better than he actually is.

And having Fonte next to him.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Lovren was helped last season by having two very good defensive midfielders in front of him (Wanyama and Schneiderlin).

Probably made him look better than he actually is.

Or more likely, Southampton actually had a defensive structure to speak of. It's no coincidence that they still have the league's best defence despite losing their last two games, and are third in the goalscoring charts. They don't play a defensive game.

 

[RexxGrim]

Southamptons keeper looks pretty good as well. Almost got his team the point single handedly last night.

 

[cooler1987]

I was reading on another forum people who had followed Lovrens career saying he has simply returned to form and last season was just an anomaly. I have to agree to this unfortunately, like in the case of Charlie Adam, one good season and then...PAUSE.

I think our defence looks bad due to them not knowing what migs will do next! They never know if migs is going to pass the ball out with the opposing centre forward bearing down on them or if he will slap a cross into the middle of the six yard box or spill a shot in the same area or if he will or won't come for a cross etc etc no wonder there nervous ffs! Mignolet does not instill much confidence in the back 4. He just doesn't command his area and looks like an error waiting to happen.

 

[Maverick Jester]

I think our defence looks bad due to them not knowing what migs will do next! They never know if migs is going to pass the ball out with the opposing centre forward bearing down on them or if he will slap a cross into the middle of the six yard box or spill a shot in the same area or if he will or won't come for a cross etc etc no wonder there nervous ffs! Mignolet does not instill much confidence in the back 4. He just doesn't command his area and looks like an error waiting to happen.

Sorry, I totally disagree with this. Mignolet may be going through a shocking period of form, but he can only instil confidence in his defence if he is confident in their ability to deal with the more basic aspects of defending to begin with. Elements that are coached into teams.

A perfect example is the goal he conceded against Leicester- the defending for it was criminal all round. You can't expect a keeper to continually bail his defence out when they haven't a clue as to what their actual roles are. Not everyone is De Gea.

 

[RanzB]

Not everyone is De Gea.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Exactly why I put that sentence in

 

[Vis1/0N]

Sorry, I totally disagree with this. Mignolet may be going through a shocking period of form, but he can only instil confidence in his defence if he is confident in their ability to deal with the more basic aspects of defending to begin with. Elements that are coached into teams.

I won't disagree, but having watched 30+ of his 52 Liverpool appearances I am now questioning ability. We have no base reference to say that he will come good again.

The other thing is that the backline has had no consistency, a different set possibly every game - I wonder when last we have had a set of players given a proper run?

 

[craigdoepie]

I won't disagree, but having watched 30+ of his 52 Liverpool appearances I am now questioning ability. We have no base reference to say that he will come good again.

The other thing is that the backline has had no consistency, a different set possibly every game - I wonder when last we have had a set of players given a proper run?

Understand where you coming from regarding the proper run, but how do you give people a proper run if they are not performing. To a point its the manager that is changing this around all the time, reminds me of Benitez days

For me, Liverpool never had a good defense since Rodgers has been in charge. We just had a structure, strikeforce that could score goals and outscore the opposition. The only thing that changed is that we are not scoring as much anymore.

Maybe someone can provide me with some in sight. We know that our goalkeeper and defense is the problem. Can't we get somebody in to assist with the issue at hand. When De Gea started at Utd he was nervous as hell, didn't command his area, but was a great shot stopper and doesn't that remind you of someone in the Liverpool squad ?

Letting DAgger and Reina go, is probably the biggest mistake. But they say hindsight is 20/20

 

[Maverick Jester]

I won't disagree, but having watched 30+ of his 52 Liverpool appearances I am now questioning ability. We have no base reference to say that he will come good again.

What about his time at Sunderland?

The other thing is that the backline has had no consistency, a different set possibly every game - I wonder when last we have had a set of players given a proper run?

Down to the coach.

 

[Maverick Jester]

For me, Liverpool never had a good defense since Rodgers has been in charge.

What does that tell you, then?