Official Liverpool FC Supporters Thread II

[hawker]

You guys making space for Chamakh I hope.

You guys got space for Cole?

 

[hawker]

So apparently no more players incoming.

Guess that's expected if you waste 100mil in one transfer window on utter garbage.

 

[fred1]

Can't be, we need a finisher. :banghead:

 

[hawker]

Can't be, we need a finisher. :banghead:

Nope, not going to happen.

 

[kat06sa]

Feeling disappointed. Sent Carrol out on loan with no certain replacement. Tottenham again beat us to a signing. Their rep said we put in a cheeky 2.5 mil bid for Dempsey, which was basically laughed off. Looking thin upfront. If Suarez gets injured, we're screwed.

 

[akescpt]

Shocking business again. Miss out on dempsey because of a couple of million but waste all that money in the last years. He is a midfielder that scores. Why do we suck at transfers? We lost out on sturridge because we offered a loan only. A young, talented international wanted to join. Cutting off our nose to spite our face. Adding those 2 would have been good.

 

[hawker]

Hey guys, its not going to be difficult to replace Carroll's 4 league goals.

We also replaced Spearing and Adam with Allen and Sahin.

This is what happens when incompetent people are given 100mil to spend, and then go and spend it on rubbish. Maybe we can buy another striker in Jan.

 

[craigdoepie]

Hey guys, its not going to be difficult to replace Carroll's 4 league goals.

We also replaced Spearing and Adam with Allen and Sahin.

This is what happens when incompetent people are given 100mil to spend, and then go and spend it on rubbish. Maybe we can buy another striker in Jan.

Agree, I am disappointed we didn't make further signings. But we still have a strong squad to choose from. I midfielders will need to come to the park this season. And maybe, just maybe start moulding Morgan into the 1st team.

January not to far away and maybe the finances will look better

 

[Nimz]

Very disappointed - flippen annoyed @ Spurs, always stealing our targets.

our squad looks very thin now - any injuries and we are F'D

 

[fred1]

Hopefully our defense can be tight and we grind out 1~0 wins till the transfer window opens again.

 

[kat06sa]

Dont be angry at spurs. After we sold Adam for 4 mil. We couldnt cough up the extra 2 mil to make it a 6-7 mil bid for which Dempsey was sold. Something has to be wrong with that.

Very thin up front. False nine, here we come.

 

[hawker]

Seems like Ian Ayre f***ed up badly last night. FSG are apparently hunting for a replacement.

Really need a competent CEO that understands football.

 

[ooogz]

Only 2 strikers
Should have kept plan b...

 

[kat06sa]

Only 2 strikers
Should have kept plan b...

Just throwing it out there, how about Gerrard as a false 9, similar to what Spain and Fabregas did during the Euros.

Reading that Ian Ayre gave up on all potential deals in the pipeline at 21:00 and simply went home. Might be twitter ****e again, but if true that's just sad.

 

[hawker]

Just throwing it out there, how about Gerrard as a false 9, similar to what Spain and Fabregas did during the Euros.

It could work.

Play a midfield of Allen - Sahin - Shelvey with Gerrard just in front of them, but still behind the 2 wide forwards?. Gerrard is a good finisher it could work, however he needs to run onto the ball, not sure how good he would be if he had to play with his back towards the goal. I still think we should be playing Borini in the center with Suarez on the right and Assaidi/Sterling on the left.

A fairly good rundown of how things work/what happened:

For insight into how this works you need to understand how the club is structured. FSG are a shareholder and Werner is chairman. Henry is on the board. The board meet once a month. FSG bought Liverpool and restructured it with a cash injection of about £50M on top of clearing most of the long-term debt.

From then on, Ayre runs the club. He is the CEO. He has the responsibilities within the club that the CEO of a company would. He is responsible for hiring the other executives (although FSG installed the new commercial director), setting the budget, working out goals, etc.He would have had the biggest role to play in hiring Rodgers

Werner and the board make top-level decisions. New stadium, approve the new manager, approve strategy and long-term thinking, review budgets and sometimes hold a hand if somebody needs guidance.

Otherwise Liverpool itself is independent of FSG. LFC has had to run on its own with no outside cash injection for 18 months now. No outside cash injection is reasonable. At ManU they are paying their owners for the privilege of being owned by them.

At the beginning of this window Ayre and the CFO would have sat down and worked out a footballing budget for this season. Apparently they set £25M net for transfers and lowering the wage bill by at least £10-15M.

Those top level numbers would have been put infront of the board and would have been approved.
Rodgers would have then been given these top level numbers, agreed with them, and then told to work within them. Rodgers would have got down into the details, working out which players to buy and how much he could afford to spend on each one.

Rodgers passes the targets onto Ayre who would go out and sign them, since we don't have a director of football right now. Rodgers and Ayre together would have the responsibility of moving on players that are no longer required.

I think one of the biggest failures of the window was the management of players such as Cole, Carroll, Adam and Spearing and allowing them to remain in the first team squad until there was only a day remaining in the transfer window. There was also a failure in convincing these players that they were no longer part of future plans. Despite this Cole stayed and rejected deals and Spearing would only accept a year long loan. The players should not be dictating their own future employment, Rodgers and Ayre really needed to grab this and settle it weeks ago.

I strongly believe that Spearing was budgeted as £3M in income, and that his refusal to accept a permanent transfer is what caused our transfer budget to get out of wack. It could be that had Spearing accepted a permanent move the extra £3M would have seen us land a permanent move.
There is no doubt that the club has more money, but it did not have the allocated budget. With 12 hour to go in the transfer window it is impossible to put a new budget together, take it to the board to get approved, and then go out and sign players.

IF we had moved on Adam, Spearing, Carroll, Cole et al a month ago, as we did with the other fringe players, and then started conversations with Chelsea over Sturridge and found out they wanted £15M, I am certain that something could have been worked out. The opportunities to purchase a player like Sturridge for so little do not arise very often. You need at least a week to work that deal out and to sign him on.

As for Dempsey, Ayre knew what he was doing. He knew that because of the budget we had to get Dempsey for cheap and that we had to tap him up and have him force the transfer fee down. In my opinion this offense on its own is a sackable offense as it is not worthy of a club of Liverpool's stature and it send the wrong message to other clubs (they can do the same to us).
We need a new CEO, we need a new director of football. Rodgers is fine, he just needs a bit more experience with the media and perhaps some communications training to deal with it.

 

[Wall]

big game today.

I think the following players will start:
Reina
Johnson
Skrtel
Agger
Enrique
allen
jonjo / sahin
gerrard
sterling
borini
Suarez

 

[Nimz]

I think Sahin and oussama will be on the bench and come on in the second half

Hope Enrique is "match Fit"

 

[hawker]

I think Sahin will start to be honest.

 

[Nimz]

I think Sahin will start to be honest.

Hope so

 

[akescpt]

Going to get a look at that new winger.