Official Liverpool FC Supporters Thread III

[AfricanTech]

Still not convinced Karius is so much better than Migs...looked uneasy the whole night and almost gave a goal away with his pass to Milner,I think

Agree. He looked shaky. That said, he does get the game restarted much faster than Migs does - one occasion it nearly led to a goal.

 

[hawker]

Really missed Gini last night. Think he would've helped a lot more than Can who just killed off any fast movement of the ball.

 

[AfricanTech]

Really missed Gini last night. Think he would've helped a lot more than Can who just killed off any fast movement of the ball.

Hate international breaks - injure players and destroy momentum

 

[The Voice]

Hate international breaks - injure players and destroy momentum

*touches wood*

I know that feel. It's probably the first time since I've been a Gooner that one of our key players didn't pick up a knock.

It pisses me off even more when it happens during unnecessary friendlies.

 

[fishfly]

De Gea made two fantastic saves

Would have liked the win but our first clean sheet is a tiny silver lining.

Oh ja, and refs have been awarding penalties for shirt pulling in the box as well.

All said and done, Mou came for a point and got one. It ain't pretty but that's how he's won League titles.

Yeah but can you really call that a decent defensive performance if Mou's intention was to go there for a draw? Yes United defended well and had a few attempts at Liverpool's goal (only 1 on target), Mou was never there for the win. Then again Liverpool didn't play at the same intensity and pressure like in the previous games, Klopp started very cautious and was worried you would get caught on the counter... so at the end of the day, the hype killed the game. 0 - 0 was fair to United given it was at Anfield

 

[skinndeep]

International breaks mess up the fluid play we had before it

 

[JackWhite]

Thanks Jurgen. You say the whole world is watching and you give them a drab draw

 

[skinndeep]

Thanks Jurgen. You say the whole world is watching and you give them a drab draw

They tried. ManU played for the draw

 

[Wall]

Lallana is becoming so intergral to our team its not even funny. The difference in our play when he came on was startling.

 

[curbs2012]

Lallana is becoming so intergral to our team its not even funny. The difference in our play when he came on was startling.

Add to that shifting Firmino up top...and Phil further up the field.
Gini was sorely missed...
The game itself was frustrating to watch because you are waiting for it to kick off, or some bit of extended quality to break it open, but in the end, it didn't happen.
Take the draw, clean sheet, and we move on.
Onwards and upwards.
YNWA

 

[akescpt]

Lallana is becoming so intergral to our team its not even funny. The difference in our play when he came on was startling.

and the expectation of sturridge to start is getting more and more crazy based on that *** he served up last night. team changed when he went off. lallana before his injury would have inflicted pain. i had no idea that the dutchman was so influential. that first half was moer frustrating watching Can trying to get up to speed.

 

[KOPITE]

and the expectation of sturridge to start is getting more and more crazy based on that *** he served up last night. team changed when he went off. lallana before his injury would have inflicted pain. i had no idea that the dutchman was so influential. that first half was moer frustrating watching Can trying to get up to speed.

Sturridge and Can need to pull finger if they want to fight for a starting place. I think Klopp should give Origi more game and try to get Ingsy some game time too. Sturridge better start with his work rate and a team player, his days are numbered with those type of performances.

 

[KOPITE]

Henderson was also quiet last night, i think Klopp should have brought Lallana on at halftime pinning utd at the back

 

[hawker]

Why Liverpool should be encouraged by Manchester United's Anfield delight

If there's one thing Monday's Anfield stalemate demonstrated, it's that Manchester United acknowledge they are behind Liverpool at present.

Jose Mourinho set his side up for one thing and one thing only – not to get beat.

There's absolutely nothing with that.

 

[AfricanTech]

Why Liverpool should be encouraged by Manchester United's Anfield delight

 

[droidx]

I have a question, Kopite mentioned it before and I see that article mentioned it as well.
Which Manchester United fans were/are celebrating the draw?
I have seen acknowledgement of it being a good point against a form team, but nothing more.

Acknowledgement: United are behind Liverpool at this present moment. New coach, new players, turmoil around Rooney (I'm sure Liverpool know what it is like having a proper leader on the field who can actually drive the team in tough times). There is also patchy form, having lost their first big game of the season at home. It is not an easy acknowledgement, but one that is true at this point in time.
People go on about money spent, when we all know there are other forces at play driving prices up and the price of a player does not mean they settle in 7 games, you'd like to think so, but reality does not always follow. Of the new signings only Bailly has been consistent. Some players hit the ground running and fade away too, Ibra's goals have dried up after a good start.
When the coach and the players settle, maybe then will be a good time to judge.

 

[akescpt]

 

[droidx]

That is funny, because Mourinho's strategy yielded titles in England, Italy and Spain (I didn't follow him in Portugal).
In Spain he was up against one of the most dominant teams in recent history.
With Chelsea & Real Madrid I believe he holds records for most goals, when in big away games, he probably never hammered the opponents. It is called strategy.
In contrast BR refused to change strategy based on opponents or situation in favour of football ideals, I guess that was a winning mentality too, but the yield was zero (I remember some fans on this board lamenting that fact too).
So what would you rather have, a coach who goes gung ho for 38 games, or one that maybe adjusts his tactics for 8 of 38 games with the end in sight.
I didn't take this to the banter thread because I'm actually interested on the take: basically style or results? Obviously you want to be entertained, I'm not talking a LVG 38 game turgid style of play to get results (even though that did not yield it).

Personally, I like Liverpool's current style, I enjoy watching United more than last year, I skipped many games because I didn't plan my schedule around games, I usually ended up frustrated and bored. Even though we beat Liverpool last season, I remember dominating at Old Trafford in the first half and Liverpool looking better in the second with 10 men.
At Anfield it was a dour affair with a stolen 3 points.
Mourinho's strategy is not the best, and not everyone likes it (including me), but it is a proven winning strategy.

 

[curbs2012]

I have a question, Kopite mentioned it before and I see that article mentioned it as well.
Which Manchester United fans were/are celebrating the draw?
I have seen acknowledgement of it being a good point against a form team, but nothing more.

Acknowledgement: United are behind Liverpool at this present moment. New coach, new players, turmoil around Rooney (I'm sure Liverpool know what it is like having a proper leader on the field who can actually drive the team in tough times). There is also patchy form, having lost their first big game of the season at home. It is not an easy acknowledgement, but one that is true at this point in time.
People go on about money spent, when we all know there are other forces at play driving prices up and the price of a player does not mean they settle in 7 games, you'd like to think so, but reality does not always follow. Of the new signings only Bailly has been consistent. Some players hit the ground running and fade away too, Ibra's goals have dried up after a good start.
When the coach and the players settle, maybe then will be a good time to judge.

Dont personally know of any united supporters that are celebrating the draw, but have spoken to quite a few that are more than satisfied with the result, aka not having lost. All of them recognize that united did very well to stop LFC from playing (LFC didn't help themselves much either) and credit to united for doing so, they executed their plans much better on the night than we did. Hence Klopp's comments about us having to make sure that we play better in these types of matches, and that we can and should have played much better.

So no, I don't know any of your lot that are celebrating it, but what I have heard from quite a few of the ones I have spoken to, is the manner in which you went about it, which touches on your next comment regarding style of play or pragmatism.

If we ignore united under Lvg, united in the first 8 games this season have not exactly played with a real 'zip', or 'flair' or the 'united way' as so many ppl like to say about a particular team and their ways. See Stoke for example...Pulis' shadow still looms large when what Hughes is trying to do doesn't work... but in united's case, I think united fans will have to get used to the way jose plays and sets up his teams. Yes, he will adjust it, adapt it to the opposition, but his 'style' is often based on power...physicality and seeking to dominate opposition using those elements. His Chelsea team had Drogba up top, with Makhelele and Lampard in the middle, Terry and co at the back as an example, and for a long while, Drogba in particular was unplayable. It worked.

He also uses a 'siege mentality' approach as motivation. Us against the world. The world is out to deny us. That will work, for a while, but not long term, I don't think.

I think it is far too early to 'judge' him at united, their 'style' or the success or failure of certain players. Trying to pass judgement so soon I think it would be unfair. What is not unfair however, would be for certain supporters of other teams, like united, to admit when they got it wrong when they passed early judgement on some of LFC's players, like Henderson, or Firmino, or Lallana (mind you many of us did too), and more recently Gini. Players, like everyone in new environments need to time to adjust and settle to be able to perform at their best. Some settle quicker than others... not sure about Depay though... but hey...there's time.

Just some thoughts...

 

[AfricanTech]

That is funny, because Mourinho's strategy yielded titles in England, Italy and Spain (I didn't follow him in Portugal).
In Spain he was up against one of the most dominant teams in recent history.
With Chelsea & Real Madrid I believe he holds records for most goals, when in big away games, he probably never hammered the opponents. It is called strategy.
In contrast BR refused to change strategy based on opponents or situation in favour of football ideals, I guess that was a winning mentality too, but the yield was zero (I remember some fans on this board lamenting that fact too).
So what would you rather have, a coach who goes gung ho for 38 games, or one that maybe adjusts his tactics for 8 of 38 games with the end in sight.
I didn't take this to the banter thread because I'm actually interested on the take: basically style or results? Obviously you want to be entertained, I'm not talking a LVG 38 game turgid style of play to get results (even though that did not yield it).

Personally, I like Liverpool's current style, I enjoy watching United more than last year, I skipped many games because I didn't plan my schedule around games, I usually ended up frustrated and bored. Even though we beat Liverpool last season, I remember dominating at Old Trafford in the first half and Liverpool looking better in the second with 10 men.
At Anfield it was a dour affair with a stolen 3 points.
Mourinho's strategy is not the best, and not everyone likes it (including me), but it is a proven winning strategy.

I think that's a fair summary. Again, outside of banter, Mourinho assessed where United are at this point in their development and made a pragmatic decision, that while not pretty, was the correct one under the circumstances. Liverpool are clearly the better team so far this season.

A loss to Liverpool after the recent results by ManU would have created unbearable pressure in the United camp.

PS: I agree re: BR's lack of pragmatism - had we gone for a dour draw against Chelsea, we'd have won the League.

PS2: He's not the manager he was 10 years ago though - I quite liked him then. He appears to have become bitter and doesn't (by outward appearance at least) appear to even enjoy the game anymore. Sad to see actually.