Official Manchester United Supporters' Thread Part 4

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cenredash said:
Hopefully that helps his education. And makes him a superstar.
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Lets not count our chickens before they hatch.

I was reminded of this watching a one time future superstar for United last night. Januzaj, playing for the opposition.
 
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So ya, horrible for the first half hour, but for the goal. And small improvement with mostly the same players for the last 30 minutes. Can't even understand what was going wrong other than pretty much every player giving the ball away and not looking particularly interested in passing the ball to a team mater. Felt like passing in a pre-season game.

Shaw with another official MOTM ... interestingly enough not for Bruno, but think that's good old BT Sport English footballer bias. They really love their lads. Not that it is taking any patriotic bias to want to pick Greenwood over Martial at the moment though.

But good strike from Martial and good strike from James, although I thought his extra touch isn't helping. A few times he also tried to take one touch too many before crossing which i think cost us.

But all in all, on the run we've had, a happy three points.
 
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cenredash said:
So ya, horrible for the first half hour, but for the goal. And small improvement with mostly the same players for the last 30 minutes. Can't even understand what was going wrong other than pretty much every player giving the ball away and not looking particularly interested in passing the ball to a team mater. Felt like passing in a pre-season game.

Shaw with another official MOTM ... interestingly enough not for Bruno, but think that's good old BT Sport English footballer bias. They really love their lads. Not that it is taking any patriotic bias to want to pick Greenwood over Martial at the moment though.

But good strike from Martial and good strike from James, although I thought his extra touch isn't helping. A few times he also tried to take one touch too many before crossing which i think cost us.

But all in all, on the run we've had, a happy three points.
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Good strike from Rashford you mean.
Martial had one shot, and other than that did absolutely nothing the whole game. Its like playing with 10 men. We looked instantly better when Greenwood came on.
 
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Suspect99 said:
Good strike from Rashford you mean.
Martial had one shot, and other than that did absolutely nothing the whole game. Its like playing with 10 men. We looked instantly better when Greenwood came on.
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Sorry yes, v good strike from Rashford is what I meant, and yes, but for the one powerful shot STRAIGHT AT THE KEEPER, Martial did nothing. I think he thinks he is Mbappe and Neymar with wanting to do little flicks in and around the box ... with a low block and 18 legs in his way ... he needs to add running, movement, and direction in his game. Hopefully he's learning some tricks from Cavani ... obviously didn't learn much from Zlatan ..
 
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Neoprod said:
100%.
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Well, not 100%.

I'm not sure what his hypothesis is, so it is easy to cherry-pick data.

And yes, if you choose a historic period, and our most successful period, and where other teams, including Liverpool were not at the races, and a known outcome, you also have to show how the opposite is true.

Also, when you look at our competition back then there was the odd liverpool year, Arsenal playing well, and maybe Chelsea starting to come into it.

Be that as it may.

So talking about the CB pairing of Vidic and Ferdinand mainly had Carrick, Scholes, Ronaldo and Giggs. Fair enough. But they also had Fletcher and Park playing a fair number of games where they needed to scrap. So saying that the midfielders weren't a great set of defenders is somewhat misleading given the personnel, but also in the notion that defending is the job you do when you don't have the ball. You can do your very best defending when you deny the other team the ball, and so in that sense all of those players mentioned were 1, great passers of the ball, and 2, great shielders of the ball. If you have the ball, then it is a lot easier not to concede.
 
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cenredash said:
Well, not 100%.

I'm not sure what his hypothesis is, so it is easy to cherry-pick data.

And yes, if you choose a historic period, and our most successful period, and where other teams, including Liverpool were not at the races, and a known outcome, you also have to show how the opposite is true.

Also, when you look at our competition back then there was the odd liverpool year, Arsenal playing well, and maybe Chelsea starting to come into it.

Be that as it may.

So talking about the CB pairing of Vidic and Ferdinand mainly had Carrick, Scholes, Ronaldo and Giggs. Fair enough. But they also had Fletcher and Park playing a fair number of games where they needed to scrap. So saying that the midfielders weren't a great set of defenders is somewhat misleading given the personnel, but also in the notion that defending is the job you do when you don't have the ball. You can do your very best defending when you deny the other team the ball, and so in that sense all of those players mentioned were 1, great passers of the ball, and 2, great shielders of the ball. If you have the ball, then it is a lot easier not to concede.
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Not the history lesson bit (which Carragher and he do a lot and I find kind of pointless)...the bit where he explains why Maguire's biggest problem is Lindelof and Lindelof's biggest problem is Maguire.
 
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Not the history lesson bit (which Carragher and he do a lot and I find kind of pointless)...the bit where he explains why Maguire's biggest problem is Lindelof and Lindelof's biggest problem is Maguire.
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Sorry, yes, that is 100% correct. I think everyone can see that they are too similar to be a good combination.

Its like having two ferdinands. You need a muscular direct CB and then the pretty passing one ... and I guess everyone can see that except that man united coaching staff. It seems romantic to have two passing and getting forward CBs that will hold onto the ball .. but ours aren't even that comfortable on the ball when we try to play out from the back under a high press... but you can rather have two beasts at the back than those two!
 
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Well, at least it wasn't a home loss, but I'm glad some non regulars got a run.
Nothing much to gain from putting in too much effort.

Would have been nice though if VDB could also have gotten a bit of a run out, Matic didn't need to play but he's probably not playing Chelsea on Sunday anyway. Would also have been nice if we could have got the ball to Shoretire and Amad a bit more ... seemed to be mostly defending when they came on. Seems at the moment that balls to our Number 9 wasn't working because he's not that good at his hold up play.

All in all, a clean sheet before a scary PL run of 3 away PL games Chelsea, Palace and City. I'd be happy with 5 points, but most likely is getting 3-4.
 
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This ma se team.

When does #OleOut start so we can start winning again?

Team looks tired to a man. Rashford, Bruno, Fred, AWB, even Shaw to some extent. All our best performers from this season are looking tired and therefore sloppy. Becoming hard work watching them again.
 
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Suspect99 said:
3 0-0s in a row. Trash Performances. Feel like I wasted 6 hours of my life watching that
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The Chelsea game we played OK apart from scoring...the other 2 games were poop. The lack of ambition is irritating.

It's like they want to make it a struggle to finish in the top 4.
 
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