Official Rugby World Cup 2015 Thread

[LazyLion]

What do you guys think of this?
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/boks-rugby-was-a-failure

 

[Cray]

Can't remember SA even looking like scoring a try against the AB's...

 

[Drifter]

Exactly. It's pretty hard to score tries if you don't have the ball. When we do have the ball we kick it to them so they run it at us and we hope they make a mistake. That's not how you play rugby. You need to make things happen, not kick the ball away and hope fate has something in store for you and gifts you some luck when they are attacking. If you want to score tries you need to keep the ball in hand.

Willie Willie Willie

 

[Pitbull]

Willie Willie Willie

True, however Willie didn't do much wrong on Saturday. It was Pollard and Fourie. Willie actually had a decent game for a change. I will not pick him again though if I was the coach.

 

[Cray]

What do you guys think of this?
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/boks-rugby-was-a-failure

Lot of good points in that article.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

What do you guys think of this?
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/boks-rugby-was-a-failure

A tad butthurt, but with good points in between.

I don't accept that victory is the only acceptable outcome. Against a team like NZ it simply has to matter how you lost.

And I don't know what he's talking about when he says analysis isn't being done. It is, quite clearly.

His last paragraph is a pointless false dichotomy, too.

 

[sand_man]

John Mitchell said it best in the post match analysis. He said, "all it requires is a change of mindset and it's very easy to do".

He should know. He sowed the attacking seeds at the Lions and the rest is history!

If an average group of players can go an entire season undefeated and in the process win the CC, imagine what could be done with Springboks?!

Some say the loss to Japan was exactly what the Boks needed to rid them of any World Cup complacency.

I say it was the worst thing that could happen to them, as it forced them back into their safety first strategy. Damage mitigation, staid, dull, boring, grinding rugby... When I watch the Boks they remind me of the Argentina of old and when I watch Argentina they remind me of the Boks of old!

 

[faniebraai]

I hope against the Argies we'll give all the "spectators" on the springbok bench a run. People like Paige, Lambie, Morne Steyn, etc

 

[Electric]

Give the ball to the forwards, they'll do it for us.

LOL

 

[Ho3n3r]

What do you guys think of this?
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/boks-rugby-was-a-failure

So Mallett in 1999 was a failure too?

Clickbaiting twat Keohane - who still reads his crap. We lost by 2 points against one of the best All Black sides ever. Nothing to be ashamed about. Obviously I would prefer a win and I was sad as **** for like 24 hours after the game, but realistically nobody would be able to beat them when both teams are at their best.

 

[Electric]

So Mallett in 1999 was a failure too?

Clickbaiting twat Keohane - who still reads his crap. We lost by 2 points against one of the best All Black sides ever. Nothing to be ashamed about. Obviously I would prefer a win and I was sad as **** for like 24 hours after the game, but realistically nobody would be able to beat them when both teams are at their best.

Realistically we should be able to beat them.
Not with this current game plan though.

 

[Seriously]

John Mitchell said it best in the post match analysis. He said, "all it requires is a change of mindset and it's very easy to do".

He should know. He sowed the attacking seeds at the Lions and the rest is history!

If an average group of players can go an entire season undefeated and in the process win the CC, imagine what could be done with Springboks?!

Some say the loss to Japan was exactly what the Boks needed to rid them of any World Cup complacency.

I say it was the worst thing that could happen to them, as it forced them back into their safety first strategy. Damage mitigation, staid, dull, boring, grinding rugby... When I watch the Boks they remind me of the Argentina of old and when I watch Argentina they remind me of the Boks of old!

As usual well said!

 

[thestaggy]

We need the type of rugby SA played back in the day. Sure bang them up front, smash them and be the best at the set pieces. But play the territory game by kicking to the corners and making sure they're out. Re group at the Line-out and go from there.

I disagree.

The best rugby nation of the past 10-years plays nothing like that. The rugby you speak of will be good enough to ensure we are the third best team in the world. The All Blacks have time and again proven that they can handle us in the set pieces and then rip us open when they need to with incisive ball-in-hand rugby. I'm not saying that their isn't a time and place for that type of rugby, but I don't think making it your identity will net you consistent success against the ABs and to a lesser degree the Aussies.

The undefeated Currie Cup champions don't even play that rugby.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I hope against the Argies we'll give all the "spectators" on the springbok bench a run. People like Paige, Lambie, Morne Steyn, etc

That would be great.

Argentinians will hopefully do the same. They do have 3 starters out with injury already.

 

[Ho3n3r]

I disagree.

The best rugby nation of the past 10-years plays nothing like that. The rugby you speak of will be good enough to ensure we are the third best team in the world. The All Blacks have time and again proven that they can handle us in the set pieces and then rip us open when they need to with incisive ball-in-hand rugby. I'm not saying that their isn't a time and place for that type of rugby, but I don't think making it your identity will net you consistent success against the ABs and to a lesser degree the Aussies.

The undefeated Currie Cup champions don't even play that rugby.

How many Super Rugby titles have they won in the last 20 years? How many playoff matches have they reached?

That gameplan won't get you anywhere in international rugby. Granted, the Boks are too conservative, but you need a balance between the two. We were doing fine up until last year's year end tour. We scored some great tries against the All Blacks, but we weren't retarded enough to run from our own 22 like some here would like.

I guess they started to focus too much on the world cup and stopped focusing on each match, which was a mistake. Also de Villiers was great up until his injury last year. And he was our captain. We should have been better prepared though for losing any player. It's like it was assumed he'll be fine and we don't have to worry about a contingency plan.

 

[Pitbull]

I disagree.

The best rugby nation of the past 10-years plays nothing like that. The rugby you speak of will be good enough to ensure we are the third best team in the world. The All Blacks have time and again proven that they can handle us in the set pieces and then rip us open when they need to with incisive ball-in-hand rugby. I'm not saying that their isn't a time and place for that type of rugby, but I don't think making it your identity will net you consistent success against the ABs and to a lesser degree the Aussies.

The undefeated Currie Cup champions don't even play that rugby.

So if you want to/need to kick the ball it's better to kick it down field and defend? Without have some idea behind the kicking? If you need to kick from hand for whatever reason, make sure you get it out. If not, you have no option to contest the ball and you just handed them possession for the sake of it.

 

[MickeyD]

Let's get one thing very clear.... This All Black team is one awesome unit.

Any team that tried to open up the game and went on an all out attack got their arses handed to them on a plate. In spades.

And the same would have happened to us on Saturday.

So when was the defining moment when we spoilt our chance to win?

It was the line out in the AB's 22 just a few minutes from the end... and just like the Scots last week, WE blew it. That's how simple it is.

 

[Agent_Smith]

We need to be very careful in the bronze medal match. Argentina has made no bones about the fact that they always targeted a top three finish. I kind of get the sense that for us, it's no big deal. Yes, giving the fringe players a run on Friday would be great but we run the risk of squaring up to a full strength and highly motivated Argies side (Imhoff and Creevy still doubtful though) hellbent on achieving what they set out to do.

 

[Ho3n3r]

Let's get one thing very clear.... This All Black team is one awesome unit.

Any team that tried to open up the game and went on an all out attack got their arses handed to them on a plate. In spades.

And the same would have happened to us on Saturday.

So when was the defining moment when we spoilt our chance to win?

It was the line out in the AB's 22 just a few minutes from the end... and just like the Scots last week, WE blew it. That's how simple it is.

Yeah. And Matfield's neck roll. We had a penalty IIRC.

I have been his biggest fan, but he was a real disappointment. What does experience mean if you can't win your line-outs, and do stupid things like that, during crunch time of a semi-final.

 

[thestaggy]

How many Super Rugby titles have they won in the last 20 years? How many playoff matches have they reached?

That gameplan won't get you anywhere in international rugby. Granted, the Boks are too conservative, but you need a balance between the two. We were doing fine up until last year's year end tour. We scored some great tries against the All Blacks, but we weren't retarded enough to run from our own 22 like some here would like.

I guess they started to focus too much on the world cup and stopped focusing on each match, which was a mistake. Also de Villiers was great up until his injury last year. And he was our captain. We should have been better prepared though for losing any player. It's like it was assumed he'll be fine and we don't have to worry about a contingency plan.

They've come off of their best Super Rugby campaign in years playing that way. It is still a philosophy taking root, but no serious person can say it isn't improving their on-field performances.

And that gameplan won't work? Be honest, when last did the Crusaders, Highlanders, Blues, Chiefs, Hurricanes or All Blacks rely on 10-man rugby to utterly dominate SH and world rugby?

The difference between us is that the ABs don't rely on kicking for possession, but they can turn to it when they have to. We rely on it and some even call for a greater emphasis on it and we cannot do anything else when it isn't working. Our last resort is just an attempt to use brute force and there again the All Blacks have time and again proven that they can withstand us physically. The minute we can't dominate the set-pieces or overpower the opposition we are cooked. If the ABs can't open the game up they can play smart and tight, but it is still an option, not their philosophy and it is quite clear which rugby philosophy wins silverware.