OK, climate sceptics: here's the raw data you wanted

Elimentals

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Climate change is real, whats under debate is if its man made.

The planet never had a constant climate, its forever changing. If current change is affected by humans is another question, esp seeing that it is also noted that the sun's temp is also increasing.

Interesting related news: http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/08/06/080611-news-july-heat/

July was incredibly hot! Just how hot was it?

According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), July was so hot that “just by plotting the location of each and every daily heat record that was broken, a nearly complete image of the contiguous United States is visible.”

Last month almost 9,000 daily heat records were broken or tied across the country. This includes 2,755 highest maximum temperatures and 6,171 highest minimum temperatures (nighttime records).

“Some cities reached daily high temperatures 19 out of the 31 days in the month,” the NOAA reported.

The largest concentration of broken heat records occurred in the southern Plains, the Midwest and the Northeast, helped by a series of heat waves that pushed temperatures well into the 100s.

And these cities had their hottest July ever this year: Austin, Texas; Detroit; Oklahoma City, Okla.; Philadelphia; and Washington, D.C.
 

BCO

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% cloud cover, solar activity, # of active volcanoes, oceanic CO2 retention/release, rainforest CO2 retention has a MUCH BIGGER effect on planetary climate change than mere humans and our factories do.

climate alarmists = funny people.
thick as trickle, but funny.

believe the rubbish the IPCC tells you = Malema style intellect (Woodwork anyone?)
Poor Al Core has been embarrassed so many times but STILL they insist he's right.
eish.


Even the founder of Green Peace disagrees.
Man Made Global Warming is a politically inspired hoax.
more taxes anyone, carbon credits anyone?
http://climatechainsblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/greenpeace-founder-questions-man-made.html

You're the guy that doesn't accept evolution, right?
 

BCO

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Climate change is real, whats under debate is if its man made.

Actually, amongst climate scientists - those best qualified to have an opinion on this - there's no debate. We ARE the major cause of current climate change.
 

bubbatentoe

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global warming is a political game and has very little to do with science.
planetary climate chnage (hotter or colder) is so incredibly complex that it's in fact impossible to prove/disprove anything.
folk will be debating MMCG till kingdom come and still have no real answers.
meanwhile additional taxes will be implemented, developing nations will be stopped from developing further, with paper or with guns.

& the nice thing about computer models is they're only as good as the data going in AND you can manipulate the data to "prove" whatever you want it to.
Just depends on your agenda.

IN any event, there are too many climate scientists with impeccable credentials who say MM climate change due to CO2 increases is a hoax with a political agenda.

And I cannot believe a word the IPCC says. they're a political organization with a political agenda.
They don't give a sh|t about the climate or the people.

Believing the IPCC claims = believing Julius Malema.
Both are political entities with hidden masters and hidden agendas.
 

bubbatentoe

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There's actually a petition circulating that's been signed by 31000 American scientists.
9000 of them hold PHD's.
They disagree with AL Gore and with the global warming alarmists who claim that CO2 is responsible for the increase in temperature.

The peer reviewed research paper here -> http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
The petition here -> http://www.oism.org/pproject/
The "Global Warming Myth" video (hosted at discovery.org) here -> http://www.discovery.org/v/30


happy reading.
 

HapticSimian

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There's actually a petition circulating that's been signed by 31000 American scientists.
9000 of them hold PHD's.
They disagree with AL Gore and with the global warming alarmists who claim that CO2 is responsible for the increase in temperature.

The peer reviewed research paper here -> http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
The petition here -> http://www.oism.org/pproject/
The "Global Warming Myth" video (hosted at discovery.org) here -> http://www.discovery.org/v/30


happy reading.

Ima just quote myself:

From Wiki:

In May 1998 the Seattle Times wrote:
Several environmental groups questioned some of the names in the petition. For instance: "Perry S. Mason", who was a legitimate scientist who shared the name of a TV character. Similarly, "Michael J. Fox", "Robert C. Byrd", and "John C. Grisham" were signatories with names shared with famous people. Geraldine Halliwell was added as: "Dr. Geri Halliwell" and "Dr. Halliwell." This name may have been contributed by a proxy trying to discredit the petition since Ms. Halliwell has never admitted to signing the petition.
Asked about the pop singer, Robinson said he was duped. The returned petition, one of thousands of mailings he sent out, identified her as having a degree in microbiology and living in Boston. "When we're getting thousands of signatures there's no way of filtering out a fake", he said.[21]
In 2001, Scientific American reported:
Scientific American took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.[22]
In a 2005 op-ed in the Hawaii Reporter, Todd Shelly wrote:
In less than 10 minutes of casual scanning, I found duplicate names (Did two Joe R. Eaglemans and two David Tompkins sign the petition, or were some individuals counted twice?), single names without even an initial (Biolchini), corporate names (Graybeal & Sayre, Inc. How does a business sign a petition?), and an apparently phony single name (Redwine, Ph.D.). These examples underscore a major weakness of the list: there is no way to check the authenticity of the names. Names are given, but no identifying information (e.g., institutional affiliation) is provided. Why the lack of transparency?[23]
To the issue of duplicate names, the Global Warming Petition Project had responded:
Thousands of scientists have signed the petition more than once. These duplicates have been carefully removed from the petition list. The list contains many instances of scientists with closely similar and sometimes identical names, as is statistically expected in a list of this size, but these signers are different people, who live at different addresses, and usually have different fields of specialization. Primarily as a result of name and address variants, occasional duplicate names are found in the list. These are immediately removed.[24]
Lulz

The "Global Warming Myth" video (hosted at discovery.org) here -> http://www.discovery.org/v/30

There's your problem. Try getting your science from scientists, not creationist apologist hicks.

More lulz.
 
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