"Okay, but who is the female"

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Garson007 said:
Very few gays actually like queens or guys that fake.
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Isn’t drag an art?

It also have huge support amongst the SA gay community and with gays involved in theatre (there is a reason why I mentioned this part).
 
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Fulcrum29 said:
Isn’t drag an art?

It also have huge support amongst the SA gay community and with gays involved in theatre (there is a reason why I mentioned this part).
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Drag is different.

It's a performance. Not how you act in a normal setting.
 
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Garson007 said:
Drag is different.

It's a performance. Not how you act in a normal setting.
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I knew a few drag queens in the day, and once they removed there make up and costumes they were as camp as they were on stage.
 
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Guys being camp isn't necessarily them being 'feminine.' Sometimes gay guys act camp because why not? Sometimes when I'm feeling silly I'll be camp just for the heck of it.

Society seems to be conditioned to consider certain behaviors inherently male and inherently female. Men and women are often too scared to act in ways not deemed 'appropriate' for their sex, because society might frown on it and their masculinity/femininity might be called into question. I think this is all very silly and there is no such thing as masculine/feminine behavior.
 
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Zewp said:
Guys being camp isn't necessarily them being 'feminine.' Sometimes gay guys act camp because why not? Sometimes when I'm feeling silly I'll be camp just for the heck of it.

Society seems to be conditioned to consider certain behaviors inherently male and inherently female. Men and women are often too scared to act in ways not deemed 'appropriate' for their sex, because society might frown on it and their masculinity/femininity might be called into question. I think this is all very silly and there is no such thing as masculine/feminine behavior.
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Good post this.
 
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Zewp said:
Guys being camp isn't necessarily them being 'feminine.' Sometimes gay guys act camp because why not? Sometimes when I'm feeling silly I'll be camp just for the heck of it.

Society seems to be conditioned to consider certain behaviors inherently male and inherently female. Men and women are often too scared to act in ways not deemed 'appropriate' for their sex, because society might frown on it and their masculinity/femininity might be called into question. I think this is all very silly and there is no such thing as masculine/feminine behavior.
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Most behaviours are more than likely influenced by social conditioning but, to pretend that there are no inherent gender specific behaviours is very naive. It's feminist, gender studies nonsense that tries to justify feminist claims that women can do anything men can do and be anything men can be (except the patently obvious things like as good at sports and heavy lifting).

The elephant in the room on this one is that men and women have very different physiologies which can't help but influence our behaviour. Our bodies develop differently in order to fulfil different roles and it is just stupid to believe that our brains don't develop differently to fulfil different roles. That's not to mention that we have very different balances of hormones regulating everything about us including our behaviour.

I find it kind of amusing that the liberal community, who like to claim that sexual preference is inherent, also like to push the completely unscientific view that gender roles and behaviours are entirely and very subtly instilled by parents and society.
 
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Oh come now. Maybe there's a handful of behaviors that are influenced by physiological differences, but this is not true for the most part. Gender roles are almost entirely the fault of social conditioning. Women weren't relegated to kitchen duty while men stand around the braai because of physiological differences.

It's basic psychology 101.

I find it kind of amusing that the liberal community, who like to claim that sexual preference is inherent, also like to push the completely unscientific view that gender roles and behaviours are entirely and very subtly instilled by parents and society.
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The two are nothing alike! One is a learned behavior, the other is an inherent sexual attraction. You can teach a child not to cry because it's not 'appropriate' for men to cry, but you can't teach a child not to love another man if he's gay.

The only people I've found who usually put forth the argument that gender roles are entirely inherent to your physiology are usually people who don't want the status quo challenged.
 
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Zewp said:
Oh come now. Maybe there's a handful of behaviors that are influenced by physiological differences, but this is not true for the most part. Gender roles are almost entirely the fault of social conditioning. Women weren't relegated to kitchen duty while men stand around the braai because of physiological differences.

It's basic psychology 101.



The two are nothing alike! One is a learned behavior, the other is an inherent sexual attraction. You can teach a child not to cry because it's not 'appropriate' for men to cry, but you can't teach a child not to love another man if he's gay.

The only people I've found who usually put forth the argument that gender roles are entirely inherent to your physiology are usually people who don't want the status quo challenged.
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You've presented no arguments here. You're making baseless assertions that contradict what's obvious for the sake of what is convenient. Women go through a physiological cycle that affects their behaviour and personality on a monthly basis. Physiology clearly affects behaviour. More testosterone makes you more aggressive and less emotional. Brain chemicals drastically affects mood and behaviour. Men and women have very different body chemistry. That they will display markedly different general behaviours is a given. To believe otherwise is to believe in magic.

We're certainly able to control our behaviour and influence the behaviour of others and it's certainly desirable that we do in some cases but, the fact is that nature made the genders what they are for the sake of the survival of the species. Men are bigger and stronger and less emotionally sensitive because that is what is needed to be hunter. Women have mammary glands and are more emotionally sensitive and nurturing because that's what is needed to raise small children.

It would be very strange if we evolved physically to fulfil necessary roles but not psychologically.

And, btw I have no investment in the status quo, I have an interest in what is true as opposed to what is convenient.

Incedently, the science that supports inherent gender roles actually exists it's just dismissed by the liberal, intellectual, establishment because it basically undermines their assumptions and views.

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Zewp said:
Oh come now. Maybe there's a handful of behaviors that are influenced by physiological differences, but this is not true for the most part. Gender roles are almost entirely the fault of social conditioning. Women weren't relegated to kitchen duty while men stand around the braai because of physiological differences.

It's basic psychology 101.

The two are nothing alike! One is a learned behavior, the other is an inherent sexual attraction. You can teach a child not to cry because it's not 'appropriate' for men to cry, but you can't teach a child not to love another man if he's gay.

The only people I've found who usually put forth the argument that gender roles are entirely inherent to your physiology are usually people who don't want the status quo challenged.
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Thanks for the heads up Nick.....I meant to say "I disagree with you on this."
I agree with you on this. My wife and I have a 2 year old son and even though he is being raised by two females he is very much all rough and tumble boy. He has been since the start. I am not talking about gender roles. Our child is very inherent male. Gender roles are taught and my wife and I are trying very hard not to teach him that certain roles are for certain genders like kitchen chores. All 3 of us do the household chores together and the garden work we do together.
 
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binkybozo said:
I agree with you on this. My wife and I have a 2 year old son and even though he is being raised by two females he is very much all rough and tumble boy. He has been since the start. I am not talking about gender roles. Our child is very inherent male. Gender roles are taught and my wife and I are trying very hard not to teach him that certain roles are for certain genders like kitchen chores. All 3 of us do the household chores together and the garden work we do together.
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Well, since he's actually claiming that there is no such thing as male or female behaviour you're not agreeing with him. As to gender roles all I'm saying is that there are certainly roles that the genders are better suited to.

When I think about the circles I hang out in, most of the women always head for the kitchen to make salads and talk shyte while most of the men make the fire and talk shyte. And, on topic, the gay couples tend to split off along those lines depending on who's more feminine or more masculine. The reason men do the braaing is because it requires lifting bags of wood and charcoal and it's hot and dirty and smokey. Noone is uncomfortable or opposed to the girls hanging with the boys at the braai or vice versa and it happens. It happens for most of the evening once the girls have done gossiping anyway. The initial male and female bonding thing isn't culturally imposed it's what people tend to do naturally at social gatherings when they aren't overly conscious about their gender identity or prejudiced towards gender roles. It's really just people doing what they want to be doing at the time.
 
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Falco said:
A more satisfying answer might be, it's up to the couple whether there should be roles. Personally I find it fscked up
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Not everything is decided. Some things just falls in the lap of the one who is most inclined to it.
 
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