Old man applauded by social media users for fighting off would be criminals

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Phylax said:
Like I said, just pointing out facts and if that makes you uncomfortable, you can click on my name below the profile pic and select "ignore".
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It could have easily been spun the other way by media outlets just as forumites here could have defended the white attackers and said there are two sides to the story.

Just a reminder that didn't see a news headline of afrikaner husband kicks afrikaner wife in face in the news either
 
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Ouballie said:
Check Bravo Tactical Africa on YouTube, they did a nice video on the push dagger. I also have the exact one from Mojo Knives that I carry with my pistol. My wife carries a smaller version.
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Very underrated, and needs far less skill and continual practice than a conventional blade.
 
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Kola-CT said:
They give another option, but there are no guarantees either way.


Indeed it does not, but it provides options you do not have otherwise.

With that comes a lot of added responsibility and need for awareness.

And it still does not come with any guarantees on outcome if SHTF.
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What is SHTF ?

Carrying a firearm also gives you less options. You can't remain neutral and be passive.
Also- you need to be 100% sure that you would fire the gun in a conflict situation. (correctly)
If not you are going to get shot at and most likely your gun stolen.
 
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Nerfherder said:
What is SHTF ?

Carrying a firearm also gives you less options. You can't remain neutral and be passive.
Also- you need to be 100% sure that you would fire the gun in a conflict situation. (correctly)
If not you are going to get shot at and most likely your gun stolen.
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5hit hits the fan
 
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Nerfherder said:
What is SHTF ?

Carrying a firearm also gives you less options. You can't remain neutral and be passive.
Also- you need to be 100% sure that you would fire the gun in a conflict situation. (correctly)
If not you are going to get shot at and most likely your gun stolen.
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On your first point, why not?

Many conflict situations can be avoided with better situational awareness, non-lethal options or simply walking away. Over many years of carrying (around 40) I have never felt it gave me fewer options, but then on the other hand I am quite good at not getting myself into situations and my awareness is not too bad either.
Maybe for some people who for some silly reason feel stronger when they carry and then go looking for kak - well that is stupid and they will certainly find it eventually.
Edit: If you mean that you cannot remain neutral and passive when an attack on your life or that of your family is happening, and having a firearm forces you to fight instead of passively giving up and hoping for the best - yes, that is likely true, you will probably have to fight for your life then - that is a choice everyone needs to make before deciding on arming themselves.

On your second point, I agree, any weapon takes training and a certain mindset to use correctly if required, and criminals have the advantage of mindset and experience in this case, or generally do - they are already breaking the law, do not care about hurting or even killing, where the average person is the opposite, and I think it is impossible to know how one would react when SHTF until it really happens.
I was properly tested in the choice between fight and flight once, so at least I know where I stand with that now.

In the end we can either prepare as much as we can, or not.

For me, the best fight is the one where I am not present, but I want to be as prepared as I can be if a fight is forced on me - even then, the outcome will only be known after the fact.
 
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Kola-CT said:
On your first point, why not?

Many conflict situations can be avoided with better situational awareness, non-lethal options or simply walking away. Over many years of carrying (around 40) I have never felt it gave me fewer options, but then on the other hand I am quite good at not getting myself into situations and my awareness is not too bad either.
Maybe for some people who for some silly reason feel stronger when they carry and then go looking for kak - well that is stupid and they will certainly find it eventually.

On your second point, I agree, any weapon takes training and a certain mindset to use correctly if required, and criminals have the advantage of mindset and experience in this case, or generally do - they are already breaking the law, do not care about hurting or even killing, where the average person is the opposite, and I think it is impossible to know how one would react when SHTF until it really happens.
I was properly tested in the choice between fight and flight once, so at least I know where I stand with that now.

In the end we can either prepare as much as we can, or not.

For me, the best fight is the one where I am not present, but I want to be as prepared as I can be if a fight is forced on me - even then, the outcome will only be known after the fact.
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So for example if you walked passed an incident - yest you have the option to either get involved or not. Thats fine, but if you are the target and all of a sudden have a knife in your face its a different story.
You could try and pull your gun, but then most likely get stabbed in the process.
You could try and be submissive but then when they find the gun on you they will take it... or worse.

Remember, the attacker knows the attack is about to happen and is planning ahead. You don't, if you are lucky then you have seen that there is a bad situation that you can either avoid or that is unavoidable but you have time to prepare.
Most of the time its not going to happen like that. You will get surprised by your assailant and having a weapon might just be a complication.
 
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Nerfherder said:
So for example if you walked passed an incident - yest you have the option to either get involved or not. Thats fine, but if you are the target and all of a sudden have a knife in your face its a different story.
You could try and pull your gun, but then most likely get stabbed in the process.
You could try and be submissive but then when they find the gun on you they will take it... or worse.

Remember, the attacker knows the attack is about to happen and is planning ahead. You don't, if you are lucky then you have seen that there is a bad situation that you can either avoid or that is unavoidable but you have time to prepare.
Most of the time its not going to happen like that. You will get surprised by your assailant and having a weapon might just be a complication.
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OK, I edited my understanding just before you posted.

All of this is valid and is why it is not a decision to be take lightly when one thinks of getting armed.

There is a lot to consider.
 
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HunterNW said:
Fokken etters. Klomp slapgatte. Like a pack of hyenas then running away tail tuck in the as$.
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Animals hunting and attacking their prey. This is why firearms are so badly needed. Shoot them on the spot. Ensure they do not pose a risk to any other person in future. If he shot and killed them, he would not have been prosecuted. The video evidence was sufficient for no prosecution to be instituted. But, on the other hand, he had a knife, a big knife. Not sure why he did not stab some of them in the neck and cut off the aorta.
 
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Kola-CT said:
OK, I edited my understanding just before you posted.

All of this is valid and is why it is not a decision to be take lightly when one thinks of getting armed.

There is a lot to consider.
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Then we are 100% in agreement.

So then I go back to the previous comment:
I am at the point where, when others choose to be victims, I let them be.
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A bit harsh eh ?
We aren't the criminals.

EDIT: I'll concede that in a KZN riots type scenario i'd have massive regrets. Its also still an outlying incident though and as those type of incidents become more common and less outlying, I'll just go. I'm not interested in living in a war zone.
So basically if I ever REALLY need a gun, I'll rather just not live here. I don't want to need a gun, I understand that others might feel different.
 
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Nerfherder said:
Then we are 100% in agreement.

So then I go back to the previous comment:

A bit harsh eh ?
We aren't the criminals.
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Indeed you arent...And we shouldnt be living like this...The constant threat of criminals.
But you have to make an effort for your own safety...I realised this 2 years ago...
Others wont/cant help you.
 
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mojoman said:
Indeed...so you need at least two..
Two is one and one is none
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(Jokes aside I could weep for the money Ive spent on security thanks to the todger in a hat and his buddies...)
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Only problem with the second gun is can you renew your license if you have a "pending" confiscation? Do you have to be constantly applying for new guns to replenish the stock?
 
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wingnut771 said:
Only problem with the second gun is can you renew your license if you have a "pending" confiscation? Do you have to be constantly applying for new guns to replenish the stock?
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I did a S13 (5 years) and a S15 (10 years)...
As soon as I have some spare money and time (and a DFO in the station), Ill try for another...
Its how we live in the new and improved South Africa..
Whatever it takes..
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