One NASA scientist claims to have found bacteria in meteorites

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We are not alone in the universe -- and alien life forms may have a lot more in common with life on Earth than we had previously thought.
That's the stunning conclusion one NASA scientist has come to, releasing his groundbreaking revelations in a new study in the March edition of the Journal of Cosmology.
Dr. Richard B. Hoover, an astrobiologist with NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, has traveled to remote areas in Antarctica, Siberia, and Alaska, amongst others, for over ten years now, collecting and studying meteorites. He gave FoxNews.com early access to the out-of-this-world research, published late Friday evening in the March edition of the Journal of Cosmology. In it, Hoover describes the latest findings in his study of an extremely rare class of meteorites, called CI1 carbonaceous chondrites -- only nine such meteorites are known to exist on Earth.
Though it may be hard to swallow, Hoover is convinced that his findings reveal fossil evidence of bacterial life within such meteorites, the remains of living organisms from their parent bodies -- comets, moons and other astral bodies. By extension, the findings suggest we are not alone in the universe, he said.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...-evidence-alien-life-meteorite/#ixzz1Fp7VNQPI

Original article released in the journal: http://journalofcosmology.com/Life100.html

I really hope this is not a hoax or natural tera contamination.
 

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I'm still waiting for them to find an alien's skull. I don't really find these bacterial fossils very impressive.
 

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Hmmm would be cool if it is true.Just worried about contamination but well they are pros :D
 

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Hmmm would be cool if it is true.Just worried about contamination but well they are pros :D

Yeah, he seems pretty confident though. Check the calvary called in to test his reaserch:

"Given the controversial nature of his discovery, we have invited 100 experts and have issued a general invitation to over 5,000 scientists from the scientific community to review the paper and to offer their critical analysis," Schild wrote in an editor's note along with the article. "No other paper in the history of science has undergone such a thorough vetting, and never before in the history of science has the scientific community been given the opportunity to critically analyze an important research paper before it is published, he wrote."

Thats a lot of skeptical scientists to go over every minute detail of his research.

He seems confident its not contamination:

“If someone can explain how it is possible to have a biological remain that has no nitrogen, or nitrogen below the detect ability limits that I have, in a time period as short as 150 years, then I would be very interested in hearing that."

Ive long pondered over the concept of panspermia.
 

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Yeah, he seems pretty confident though. Check the calvary called in to test his reaserch:



Thats a lot of skeptical scientists to go over every minute detail of his research.

He seems confident its not contamination:



Ive long pondered over the concept of panspermia.

Well thanks for the article Wizzy :) You know personally I hope its true so we can advance.
 

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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/05/has-life-been-found-in-a-meteorite/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BadAstronomyBlog+%28Bad+Astronomy%29

So, to conclude: a claim has been made about micro-fossils in a meteorite. The claims are interesting, the pictures intriguing, but we are a long, long way from knowing whether the claim is valid or not! We’ve been down this road before and been disappointed. As with any scientific claim, skepticism is needed, and in the case of extraordinary claims, well, you know the saying.

It's going to be ****ing awesome if they can be sure of it.
 

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Fox News reported this.
The Journal of Cosmology is only a online journal, no print version.
How come a discovery of this importance has not been published in Science or Nature?
Who else publishes in The Journal of Cosmology? Go and have a look.
http://cosmology.com/Cosmology1.html check out the website, does it look like a respectable site, read the articles there...

Nope, sorry this is a hoax.
 

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Fox News reported this.
The Journal of Cosmology is only a online journal, no print version.
How come a discovery of this importance has not been published in Science or Nature?
Who else publishes in The Journal of Cosmology? Go and have a look.
http://cosmology.com/Cosmology1.html check out the website, does it look like a respectable site, read the articles there...

Nope, sorry this is a hoax.

Editor in chief:

Rudolph E. Schild, PhD is an astrophysicist at Harvard University, the director of the 1.5 meter telescope program at the Harvard-Smithsonian Cambridge observatories.[1] He has authored or contributed to over two hundred and fifty papers.[2] Dr. Schild is an avid automobile collector and is married to mezzo soprano Jane Struss, who teaches voice at Longy School of Music.[1]

Those credentials sound real.
 

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Fox News reported this.
The Journal of Cosmology is only a online journal, no print version.
How come a discovery of this importance has not been published in Science or Nature?
Who else publishes in The Journal of Cosmology? Go and have a look.
http://cosmology.com/Cosmology1.html check out the website, does it look like a respectable site, read the articles there...

Nope, sorry this is a hoax.

They are one of those journals where the author has to pay for their article to be published, "to defray the costs of publication".
 

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Erm...

Did scientists discover bacteria in meteorites? ~ PZ Myers

No.

No, no, no. No no no no no no no no.

No, no.

No.

Fox News broke the story, which ought to make one immediately suspicious — it's not an organization noted for scientific acumen. But even worse, the paper claiming the discovery of bacteria fossils in carbonaceous chondrites was published in … the Journal of Cosmology. I've mentioned Cosmology before — it isn't a real science journal at all, but is the ginned-up website of a small group of crank academics obsessed with the idea of Hoyle and Wickramasinghe that life originated in outer space and simply rained down on Earth. It doesn't exist in print, consists entirely of a crude and ugly website that looks like it was sucked through a wormhole from the 1990s, and publishes lots of empty noise with no substantial editorial restraint. For a while, it seemed to be entirely the domain of a crackpot named Rhawn Joseph who called himself the emeritus professor of something mysteriously called the Brain Research Laboratory, based in the general neighborhood of Northern California (seriously, that was the address: "Northern California"), and self-published all of his pseudo-scientific "publications" on this web site.

It is not an auspicious beginning. Finding credible evidence of extraterrestrial microbes is the kind of thing you'd expect to see published in Science or Nature, but the fact that it found a home on a fringe website that pretends to be a legitimate science journal ought to set off alarms right there.

But could it be that by some clumsy accident of the author, a fabulously insightful, meticulously researched paper could have fallen into the hands of single-minded lunatics who rushed it into 'print'? Sure. And David Icke might someday publish the working plans for a perpetual motion machine in his lizardoid-infested newsletter. We've actually got to look at the claims and not dismiss them because of their location.

So let's look at the paper, Fossils of Cyanobacteria in CI1 Carbonaceous Meteorites: Implications to Life on Comets, Europa, and Enceladus. I think that link will work; I'm not certain, because the "Journal of Cosmology" seems to randomly redirect links to its site to whatever article the editors think is hot right now, and while the article title is given a link on the page, it's to an Amazon page that's flogging a $94 book by the author. Who needs a DOI when you've got a book to sell?

Reading the text, my impression is one of excessive padding. It's a dump of miscellaneous facts about carbonaceous chondrites, not well-honed arguments edited to promote concision or cogency. The figures are annoying; when you skim through them, several will jump out at you as very provocative and looking an awful lot like real bacteria, but then without exception they all turn out to be photos of terrestrial organisms thrown in for reference. The extraterrestrial 'bacteria' all look like random mineral squiggles and bumps on a field full of random squiggles and bumps, and apparently, the authors thought some particular squiggle looked sort of like some photo of a bug. This isn't science, it's pareidolia. They might as well be analyzing Martian satellite photos for pictures that sorta kinda look like artifacts.

The data consists almost entirely of SEM photos of odd globules and filaments on the complex surfaces of crumbled up meteorites, with interspersed SEMs of miscellaneous real bacteria taken from various sources — they seem to be proud of having analyzed flakes of mummy skin and hair from frozen mammoths, but I couldn't see the point at all — do they have cause to think the substrate of a chondrite might have some correspondence to a Siberian Pleistocene mammoth guard hair? I'd be more impressed if they'd surveyed the population of weird little lumps in their rocks and found the kind of consistent morphology in a subset that you'd find in a population of bacteria. Instead, it's a wild collection of one-offs.

There is one other kind of datum in the article: they also analyzed the mineral content of the 'bacteria', and report detailed breakdowns of the constitution of the blobs: there's lots of carbon, magnesium, silicon, and sulfur in there, and virtually no nitrogen. The profiles don't look anything like what you'd expect from organic life on Earth, but then, these are supposedly fossilized specimens from chondrites that congealed out of the gases of the solar nebula billions of years ago. Why would you expect any kind of correspondence?

The extraterrestrial 'bacteria' photos are a pain to browse through, as well, because they are published at a range of different magnifications, and even when they are directly comparing an SEM of one to an SEM of a real bacterium, they can't be bothered to put them at the same scale. Peering at them and mentally tweaking the size, though, one surprising result is that all of their boojums are relatively huge — these would be big critters, more similar in size to eukaryotic cells than E. coli. And all of them preserved so well, not crushed into a smear of carbon, not ruptured and evaporated away, all just sitting there, posing, like a few billion years in a vacuum was a day in the park. Who knew that milling about in a comet for the lifetime of a solar system was such a great preservative?

I'm looking forward to the publication next year of the discovery of an extraterrestrial rabbit in a meteor. While they're at it, they might as well throw in a bigfoot print on the surface and chupacabra coprolite from space. All will be about as convincing as this story.

While they're at it, maybe they should try publishing it in a journal with some reputation for rigorous peer review and expectation that the data will meet certain minimal standards of evidence and professionalism.

Otherwise, this work is garbage. I'm surprised anyone is granting it any credibility at all.
 

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My bad... Fox News /sigh

PZ Meyers to the rescue. Hooray for skeptical scientists.
 
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Yeah, he seems pretty confident though. Check the calvary called in to test his reaserch:



Thats a lot of skeptical scientists to go over every minute detail of his research.

He seems confident its not contamination:



Ive long pondered over the concept of panspermia.

Does it not scare you a tad?...Its good news .
 

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Yeah, he seems pretty confident though. Check the calvary called in to test his reaserch:



Thats a lot of skeptical scientists to go over every minute detail of his research.

He seems confident its not contamination:
PZ Meyers to the rescue. Hooray for skeptical scientists.
:confused:
What makes one sceptical scientist better than another in this scenario LOL?

But yeah, nothing really conclusive from that article.
 
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