[Opinion] A theory about having babies

[Polly101]

the fact that normal male testosterone levels have been getting lowered by the medical profession. ie - it used to be 900 per n/l and now normal is 400 per n/l

*Credible* Reference for this "fact"?

 

[Ancalagon]

*Credible* Reference for this "fact"?

Not that Carte Blanche the source of all truth, but I remember a Carte Blanche episode about this a while ago. Young men had lower T than men in their 50s and 60s. Which is very bad is T declines with age.

Supposedly it has to do with environment and lifestyle factors, such as endocrine disrupting chemicals that mimic estrogen, a lack of sleep, less exercise, poor diet (low in healthy fat), less sunlight, etc etc.

EDIT: Also one other thing I'll mention. There is a well known correlation between body fat and testosterone - the fatter you are, the lower your testosterone. It doesn't mean that one causes the other (that we know of), but there is a link. Leaner men have higher testosterone levels, this is partly because adipose tissue (fat) is an endocrine organ in its own right, and lowers T levels (I think because it secrets something like estrogen but I'm not sure).

And, obesity rates have never been higher, as you know.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Not that Carte Blanche the source of all truth, but I remember a Carte Blanche episode about this a while ago. Young men had lower T than men in their 50s and 60s. Which is very bad is T declines with age.

Supposedly it has to do with environment and lifestyle factors, such as endocrine disrupting chemicals that mimic estrogen, a lack of sleep, less exercise, poor diet (low in healthy fat), less sunlight, etc etc.

EDIT: Also one other thing I'll mention. There is a well known correlation between body fat and testosterone - the fatter you are, the lower your testosterone. It doesn't mean that one causes the other (that we know of), but there is a link. Leaner men have higher testosterone levels, this is partly because adipose tissue (fat) is an endocrine organ in its own right, and lowers T levels (I think because it secrets something like estrogen but I'm not sure).

And, obesity rates have never been higher, as you know.

I has much more to do with excessive sugar consumption

If you actually mobilize your fat and cholesterol for burning (i.e. cut refined carbs out of your diet) then you will see an increase in testosterone.

 

[Ancalagon]

I has much more to do with excessive sugar consumption

If you actually mobilize your fat and cholesterol for burning (i.e. cut refined carbs out of your diet) then you will see an increase in testosterone.

It is a combination of things, and the fact that adipose tissue is an endocrine organ plays a big role in it. This wasn't known until recently. Read up on it.

 

[Nicodeamus]

It is a combination of things, and the fact that adipose tissue is an endocrine organ plays a big role in it. This wasn't known until recently. Read up on it.

I am only an amateur reader of biology, but the latest research in fat adaption is really exciting.

 

[Mila]

How can you live with no will to have children ? Any living species utmost will is to breed

Oh one of those.
shame man.

Because society do not allow parents to say they didn't really like having kids or like them anyway, you will be surprised how many woman has chatted to me about being very very regretfull about having kids.
But they know they can tell me cause I do not judge.

Just because society dictates it doesn't mean it is so.
Men are mostly more sentimental about their "line" to be carried on. Make men have babies and the world population would get to a stand still.

If our urge is to have babies, men can do it.
Why can't men have babies yet?
Because they don't want to

 

[Mila]

Have you ever wondered why so many humans are born between September and November?

9 months before that are Christmas and Valentine's day - so definitely seasonal!

That or load shedding.

Its because of the "festive" season. Everybody drinks a bit more are a bit more relaxed.
sex happens more often..

 

[Mila]

fat causes all kinds of trouble.
How the hell do morbidly obese people do it anyway.
Is it like a golf, he who finds a hole first scores?

 

[thestaggy]

How can you live with no will to have children ? Any living species utmost will is to breed

• More time and money to do things that make you happy.
• Freedom to day drink at your leisure.
• Not the best time and/or country to raise kids due to uncertain future.
• Ability to focus on careers.

Pretty much what all my female acquaintances without kids tell me.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

How can you live with no will to have children ? Any living species utmost will is to breed

Nope, this is not the case, its the norm you have been led to believe.
I dont need validation by having a "mini me" running about taking up my time and being expensive.
Im turning 40 in a month and my wife is turning 39 in that same month. Neither of us want kids.

 

[konfab]

How can you live with no will to have children ? Any living species utmost will is to breed

I think the will to breed in people manifests as wanting to care for something, presumably something that they view as vulnerable. Most just find substitute children. Examples of which being the following:
1) Pets/animals (especially rescue animals)
2) Other people's children (So they become involved with education, both school and university)
3) Other people (paternalistic, usually leftist politicians/activists are guilty of this. )
4) Dolls (creepy alert).
5) The earth. (environmentalists)

There are people who don't want children who don't do any of these things I provided. But they are usually not the caring type.

 

[ForceFate]

I think the will to breed in people manifests as wanting to care for something, presumably something that they view as vulnerable. Most just find substitute children. Examples of which being the following:
1) Pets/animals (especially rescue animals)
2) Other people's children (So they become involved with education, both school and university)
3) Other people (paternalistic, usually leftist politicians/activists are guilty of this. )
4) Dolls (creepy alert).
5) The earth. (environmentalists)

There are people who don't want children who don't do any of these things I provided. But they are usually not the caring type.

It's seldom the reasons you listed above. It's often some or other inane reason. Then you also have religious and cultural elements to it, "mistakes", peer pressure, etc.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

Because society do not allow parents to say they didn't really like having kids or like them anyway, you will be surprised how many woman has chatted to me about being very very regretfull about having kids.
But they know they can tell me cause I do not judge.

Most of my friends who have kids say the same thing to me.

 

[ForceFate]

Oh one of those.
shame man.

Because society do not allow parents to say they didn't really like having kids or like them anyway, you will be surprised how many woman has chatted to me about being very very regretfull about having kids.
But they know they can tell me cause I do not judge.

Just because society dictates it doesn't mean it is so.
Men are mostly more sentimental about their "line" to be carried on. Make men have babies and the world population would get to a stand still.

If our urge is to have babies, men can do it.
Why can't men have babies yet?
Because they don't want to

I disagree with the last bit. The only reason we can't carry babies is because our bodies aren't made for it.

 

[3WA]

fat causes all kinds of trouble.
How the hell do morbidly obese people do it anyway.
Is it like a golf, he who finds a hole first scores?

I once did it with a fat chick - I closed my eyes and pretended everything was boobs.

 

[noxibox]

Expenses have gone through the roof.

That's a definite reason in countries where parents have to pay for things out of their earnings. It will be much less significant in the social democracies that provide high levels of support.

Not the best time and/or country to raise kids due to uncertain future.

The future is always uncertain. If that were a reason our ancestors would have had no children.

The rest are the reasons that more educated and affluent people tend to have children later.

It is also all the exogenus estrogen in the water/packaging and plastic leeching into water , coupled with the fact that normal male testosterone levels have been getting lowered by the medical profession. ie - it used to be 900 per n/l and now normal is 400 per n/l , and doctors are not very keen to prescribe anything to sort out male test production for fear of creating roided out murderers.(completely based in fiction)

Fertility rates are merely how many children people have, not indicative of any limit. Whatever oestrogen may be out there is not the thing keeping families small.

Condoms are free.
Poor people should stop using being poor as an excuse. 6 babies at 6 daddies isn't because you are poor it is because you are stupid.

Or even six from one. I'd be poor too if I had that many children.

I do think there are a variety of reasons why poor people have more children than would seem sensible.

At a much lower rate than the God-fearing women who get married at 21 and pop out a few kids by the time they are 30 because it is what God expects.

If they were truly god-fearing they'd have started at 18 (maybe even earlier), have one a year and hit a dozen by 30.

Those whom God wishes to destroy He first drives mad.

Well that explains religion.

Just because society dictates it doesn't mean it is so.
Men are mostly more sentimental about their "line" to be carried on. Make men have babies and the world population would get to a stand still.

Based on your own claim and the research cited in the article there would be more babies.

Sure some people regret having children. I'd expect it to be primarily those who have them young.

Why can't men have babies yet?
Because they don't want to

No, it's the same reason someone cannot change their genetic sex.

 

[konfab]

• More time and money to do things that make you happy.
• Freedom to day drink at your leisure.
• Not the best time and/or country to raise kids due to uncertain future.
• Ability to focus on careers.

Pretty much what all my female acquaintances without kids tell me.

How many of these childless woman have pets?

 

[samuelp]

• More time and money to do things that make you happy.
• Freedom to day drink at your leisure.
• Not the best time and/or country to raise kids due to uncertain future.
• Ability to focus on careers.

Pretty much what all my female acquaintances without kids tell me.

That looks selfish to me. Unless you become a famous politician, scientist or academician, what will you give to Earth once you are dead ? You can have leisure time with your children, handover your knowledge, background. Focus on careers for what if you don't have any child that will benefit from ?

I cannot understand, sorry

 

[rambo919]

Well that explains religion.

Yes it explains the whole western world going completely bonkers very well. They said goodbeye to God and God said.... fine.

 

[konfab]

Nope, this is not the case, its the norm you have been led to believe.
I dont need validation by having a "mini me" running about taking up my time and being expensive.
Im turning 40 in a month and my wife is turning 39 in that same month. Neither of us want kids.

Led to believe by millions of years of evolution as a sexually reproducing species.