[Opinion] Cell masts - the slow, silent killers

[LazyLion]

Ja, maar ek hou van bees vleis.

 

[LazyLion]

 

[maumau]

Would be interesting to see a map of planned cell masts.

 

[f2wohf]

Yes, but if you look at the trend stats, where there is increased incidence, the types of cancer are far more easily attributable to lifestyle factors - breast, lung, prostrate, colon and melanoma. Much of the increase has to do with the third world adopting western lifestyles. The incidence of the kind of cancers in sensitive tissues like the brain (which you would expect to be most susceptible to em) have been steadily decreasing. The overall point is that you would expect a huge spike from the mid-90's onwards (or the mid 2000's if there was a longer term effect) due to the sudden almost 100% saturation of cellular networks in urban areas. No such spike is apparent. Cellphone use went from 0 to 100% globally in less than ten years - there is no correlating spike in any major disease group so common sense dictates that there is no causative factor.

It really depends, the incidence of Hogkin lymphoma has like tripled since the 1990s.

The remission rate went from close to nine to 90%

And it’s not a cancer attributable to lifestyle at all. It’s either from genetic or viral origins.

 

[Johnatan56]

It really depends, the incidence of Hogkin lymphoma has like tripled since the 1990s.

The remission rate went from close to nine to 90%

And it’s not a cancer attributable to lifestyle at all. It’s either from genetic or viral origins.

An interesting article from 2001: https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/93/7/494/2906510


And again, more of the population is getting older, https://www.statista.com/statistics/268766/median-age-of-the-world-population/ ,
This is a comparison of 1940 vs 2010 in the U.S.

And take into account world population, we're above 7.6bn now.

 

[DerekMain]

Paragraph 2 is a change of goal posts, we were speaking of ICASA compliance. I have no idea of what occurs at international levels and honestly I've read hundreds of medical studies in the past year (linked to my cancer, not to EMF) and for each pro study, you have a con study, it's just a matter of who funded the study usually. On EMF, there's certainly no consensus.

And therein lies the rub - I agree that you can predict the results of a study by finding out who funded it. But let me ask you this - what do scientists who show the harms of EMF have to gain? As opposed to scientists who are paid by the cell industry to find the opposite.

 

[DerekMain]

Now if you look at the actual list of international classification of diseases, you won't find "EHS" there. Or are you going to tell me that the cell networks are paying them too?

Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

 

[Lupus]

And therein lies the rub - I agree that you can predict the results of a study by finding out who funded it. But let me ask you this - what do scientists who show the harms of EMF have to gain? As opposed to scientists who are paid by the cell industry to find the opposite.

How do you know they are paid by the cellphone industry, do you have intimate details about it? Do you spend hours upon hours following 1s and 0s to check their bank statements? Are you one of those that believe Big Pharma and GMO is out to get you as well?

 

[DerekMain]

So you admit to trolling. Great.

Call it what you like. I think everyone needs to be made aware of what we are getting ourselves into. How you take it is your issue.

 

[DerekMain]

How do you know they are paid by the cellphone industry, do you have intimate details about it? Do you spend hours upon hours following 1s and 0s to check their bank statements? Are you one of those that believe Big Pharma and GMO is out to get you as well?

I do not have any proof of this but I do know how unscrupulous the cell industry is so it's very possible. They would have no qualms about doing this.

Yes - I also believe the GMO and pharma industries are corrupt to the core. Incidentally, they use exactly the same strategy that the cell industry uses to create scientific doubt where there is none.

 

[Johnatan56]

I do not have any proof of this but I do know how unscrupulous the cell industry is so it's very possible. They would have no qualms about doing this.

Yes - I also believe the GMO and pharma industries are corrupt to the core. Incidentally, they use exactly the same strategy that the cell industry uses to create scientific doubt where there is none.

So unsubstantiated claims continue.

I don't like those people, so I'll make up some stuff and keep accusing, something will eventually stick.

 

[Lupus]

I do not have any proof of this but I do know how unscrupulous the cell industry is so it's very possible. They would have no qualms about doing this.

Yes - I also believe the GMO and pharma industries are corrupt to the core. Incidentally, they use exactly the same strategy that the cell industry uses to create scientific doubt where there is none.

Right you are a loon. Time to pack your bags and head off this planet as you're pretty much one of those nutters who'd want us to go back to the dark ages.

 

[DerekMain]

Delving into the causes is an entirely different matter - something the OP is pretending to try & do with half-baked theories concocted from cherry picked excerpts of research papers.

If you are denying there is any research showing the harm of EMF, then you are also cherry-picking.

 

[DerekMain]

Would be interesting to see a map of planned cell masts.

Yes it would - something that is very difficult to do. What I do know is that for 5G, the intention is to have a cell mast every 300m to 500m. This is what the cell industry themselves state. So if you haven't had a cell mast erected near your house yet, you soon will.

 

[Trompie67]

If you are denying there is any research showing the harm of EMF, then you are also cherry-picking.

If that makes you happy, by all means think that.

It has however been established that you are a conspiracy theorist nut - see your comments regarding "GMO companies & big pharma".
Tootle off now, your tinfoil hat is blowing across the road. No point in trying to discuss anything with you, as the ability to reason and debate with logic is absent from your mindset.

 

[DerekMain]

If that makes you happy, by all means think that.

It has however been established that you are a conspiracy theorist nut - see your comments regarding "GMO companies & big pharma".
Tootle off now, your tinfoil hat is blowing across the road. No point in trying to discuss anything with you, as the ability to reason and debate with logic is absent from your mindset.

I wear the "conspiracy theorist" badge with pride - to me that translates to "critical thinker" rather than "sheep". That label is only used when the labeler is unable to argue the issue at hand. You can put your head back in the sand now.

 

[maumau]

Yes it would - something that is very difficult to do. What I do know is that for 5G, the intention is to have a cell mast every 300m to 500m. This is what the cell industry themselves state. So if you haven't had a cell mast erected near your house yet, you soon will.

We all signed a petition but one was erected in the garden of a house a block or so away from ours. It's not full sized, only a few meters high but their immediate neighbour is trying to sell.

Here's what happened apparently. Previous owners signed a deal with the cell provider (think it's Cell C). Before the mast was erected they sold the house. New owners moved in only to find out they were getting a cell mast in their garden. How's that for a filthy trick?

 

[DerekMain]

We all signed a petition but one was erected in the garden of a house a block or so away from ours. It's not full sized, only a few meters high but their immediate neighbour is trying to sell.

Here's what happened apparently. Previous owners signed a deal with the cell provider (think it's Cell C). Before the mast was erected they sold the house. New owners moved in only to find out they were getting a cell mast in their garden. How's that for a filthy trick?

Absolutely shocking. I would think the buyer has a case against previous owners. Something like a defect the previous owner knew about that would materially affect the price of the property. Can they not withdraw permission for the mast?

The entire public participation process is a sham - no matter what objection you have, once they have identified a potential site, the cell mast will go up. I would say to people "Don't even bother with the PPP - it's a waste of your time." HOWEVER, in order to challenge this legally, you have to have gone through all the hoops first otherwise it will count against you.

 

[Cius]

I'll just leave this here: https://xkcd.com/radiation/

My view is that there are some people who are sensitive to EMF radiation. I live in a complex with a lady named Vicky that is big into fighting this stuff. Regardless, I am pro signal, wifi, and wireless technology. I am not affected by it and the economic growth and technology that has arisen out of cellular technology far outweighs any negatives as far as I am concerned. Also I don't think it causes cancer unless you are doing crazy doses somehow. Like camping on a cell tower.

 

[DerekMain]

I'll just leave this here: https://xkcd.com/radiation/

My view is that there are some people who are sensitive to EMF radiation. I live in a complex with a lady named Vicky that is big into fighting this stuff. Regardless, I am pro signal, wifi, and wireless technology. I am not affected by it and the economic growth and technology that has arisen out of cellular technology far outweighs any negatives as far as I am concerned. Also I don't think it causes cancer unless you are doing crazy doses somehow. Like camping on a cell tower.

I have said numerous times in this thread that there are many sources of EMF and that what we need to be doing is limiting our exposure to EMF - not flooding our environments with it. That is just plain stupid.

As for the benefits outweighing the negatives, how would you know? Any science that shows the harms of EMF is not widely distributed. Research (bought and paid for by the cell industry) is widely distributed because they have the means. Which is exactly why I say we should have a panel of independent experts go through all the available research so we can come to an informed decision as to whether the benefits outweigh the risks. Should that be shown to be the case, I'll concede but let's at least see all the evidence.