[OPINION] How seriously should we take the idea that the ANC might axe Ramaphosa shortly after the elections?

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https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...ht-axe-ramaphosa-shortly-after-the-elections/

How seriously should we take the idea that the ANC might axe Ramaphosa shortly after the elections?
By Rebecca Davis • 12 April 2019

Two opposition parties have this week made public statements claiming that dissident factions in the ANC are planning to remove Cyril Ramaphosa as ANC president and state president shortly after the May elections. The ousting of former President Thabo Mbeki is cited as precedent for this move. But a palace coup of this kind would require the kind of agile manoeuvres that may be beyond even Ramaphosa’s bitterest enemies.

What’s this we hear about President Cyril Ramaphosa living on borrowed time?

It’s not a new suggestion. Ramaphosa’s victory as ANC president at Nasrec in 2017 was clinched by less than 200 votes out of the roughly 5,000 cast by delegates, which was always an indication that his command of the party reins might be more tenuous than his supporters would hope. It’s worth remembering, too, that Ramaphosa’s win was achieved largely as a result of now-Deputy President David Mabuza’s powerful Mpumalanga constituency casting their lot with Ramaphosa at the 11th hour — leaving Mabuza as the natural successor to Ramaphosa in the event of a dethroning.

This week, both the Congress of the People (Cope) and the EFF made public statements to the effect that parts of the ANC are intending to have Ramaphosa removed from his position once the dust from the May elections settles. Cope stated:

“Congress of the People is reliably informed that the Zuma/Magashule faction is planning to call a special National General Council immediately after the elections to remove Ramaphosa as the ANC president and as State President; and that after removing Ramaphosa, they will then deal with the Zondo Commission which is a very serious threat to the corrupt faction, the same way they have dealt with the Scorpions.”

EFF leader Julius Malema, meanwhile, told journalists on Wednesday that Ramaphosa would not finish his term of office.

“They are working the branches now. The (ANC) conference will take place in June 2020 and he won’t come back, I can tell you now,” Malema said.

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Some members of this forum called it months ago.. and since, given that there's some visionaries on this forum, against the backdrop of the kark going on in SA, I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen.
Ramaphosa is a spanner in Zuma's looting works.
 

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I hope they do, the Zuma faction will just concentrate on enriching themselves and forget about EWC.
 

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Some members of this forum called it months ago.. and since, given that there's some visionaries on this forum, against the backdrop of the kark going on in SA, I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen.
Ramaphosa is a spanner in Zuma's looting works.
It's going to happen. He is already there without any powers. He has so little power, he can't even remove people like Malusi Gigaba, Bathabile Dlamini, Nomvula Mokonyane, Zweli Mkhize and the likes. Some people will come with a stupid argument that he is keeping the peace to prevent a tear in the ANC. He still cannot even have the cronies of corrupt officials arrested or prosecuted. He cannot even make any useful changes to laws that currently prevents economical growth. His hands are tied by the fraction who wants him out. If this fraction is so big and mighty that they keep this power from him, imagine how easy it will be for them to remove him.

Ramaphosa never was the president of South Africa. After the elections, these very same people will decide his fate. I will be very surprised if he remains president of either the country or the ANC.
 

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It's going to happen. He is already there without any powers. He has so little power, he can't even remove people like Malusi Gigaba, Bathabile Dlamini, Nomvula Mokonyane, Zweli Mkhize and the likes. Some people will come with a stupid argument that he is keeping the peace to prevent a tear in the ANC. He still cannot even have the cronies of corrupt officials arrested or prosecuted. He cannot even make any useful changes to laws that currently prevents economical growth. His hands are tied by the fraction who wants him out. If this fraction is so big and mighty that they keep this power from him, imagine how easy it will be for them to remove him.

Ramaphosa never was the president of South Africa. After the elections, these very same people will decide his fate. I will be very surprised if he remains president of either the country or the ANC.
The counterpoint is that he is allowing the judicial process to unfold without political interference, which is the more astute move and if it plays off he solidifies his position immensely without any political machinations.
 

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Let's be realistic. If Ramaphosa is removed by the ANC, this will be the last free and fair election this country sees for a long long time.
As has happened in Zimbabwe... and elsewhere. What makes SA so special that it won't go the same way as all the other shitholes up north? Nothing. Its SA's time now.
 

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As has happened in Zimbabwe... and elsewhere. What makes SA so special that it won't go the same way as all the other shitholes up north? Nothing. Its SA's time now.
That's what I said.
The idea that the ANC recalling him post May '19 is good news for the opposition is nonsensical.
 

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It will also be good news for the opposition in the next election.
The ANC destroying the country hasn't done **** for the opposition for the last few elections. How is this all of a sudden a good thing for the opposition? How does this change anything? Or is it the hope that over the next 150 years the ANC will gradually alienate enough voters to swing it, but nothing we'll ever see in our lifetime?
 

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He has embarrassed the ANC immensely with the different commissions of inquiry.
he has also kept every single one of them out of jail with the different commissions of inquiry

I'm not convinced his hands are tied despite him truly wanting to effect positive change. He's pretty much just another Zuma, by choice.
 
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