OR Tambo decision 'unlikely to change'

[Freshy-ZN]

The change to JIA was a reconsiliatory move by all parties. We were also told that no political party/figure should be used to name the aiport. So we all said fine, makes sense, lets all love one another and find common ground.

What do the ANC do now? Basically renege on their word and in the process undo all the good that was done when we changed to JIA.

How can we trust anything they say? They will not be happy until not ONE name exists in this country that has a European heritage.

Next I expect to receive a letter from home affairs telling me to change my name to a Zulu one....

 

[preshane]

Honour our Heroes

Are they going through the history books, blindfolding each other and picking people to name things after? Rather write a book about these famous people than cost everyone money by changing names of important places.

It is indeed sad and indicative of the lack of education of the struggle that certain sections of our population are not aware of the importance of people like O R Tambo

I am of the firm belief that even people like Hertzog and Verwoerd be remembered, but remembered for the human rights atrocities they perpetuated.

But people like OR Tambo, Walter Sisulu, Albert Luthuli, Steve Biko, Chris Hani, Solomon Mahlangu, Joe Slovo, Beyers Naude, Dullah Omar, Sol Plaatjie and countless others should not only be remembered but should be honoured

for these people devoted their lives to the upliftment of their fellow man, they rose above material wants and sacrificed everything, some even their lives to create this great country we live in today

I propose that not only JHB international be changed, but also every other airport, train station, taxi rank and bus depot in this country.

Jan Smuts Airport was changed to Johannesburg International, and tourists did not stop comming, people both internationally and locally have grown accustomed to the new name in less than ten years, I am sure we will be able to get used to OR Tambo Int'l

 

[Freshy-ZN]

preshane your views are completely one sided and partisan. renaming everything to honour 'struggle' personalities is madness and smacks of Banana Republic syndrome.

 

[rwenzori]

education of the struggle

You can keep that particular "education" thanks. Not particularly wanted here.

these people devoted their lives to the upliftment of their fellow man, they rose above material wants and sacrificed everything

Its sadly seems that they were therefore delusional, as all that has been achieved is a great big pig-trough of gravy, and buga the poor fellow man.

 

[icyrus]

preshane your views are completely one sided and partisan. renaming everything to honour 'struggle' personalities is madness and smacks of Banana Republic syndrome.

I guess his sig isn't there just for irony...

 

[DigitalSoldier]

for these people devoted their lives to the upliftment of their fellow man, they rose above material wants and sacrificed everything, some even their lives to create this great country we live in today

And Jan Smuts did the same but not only for this country but for the world

 

[Angelo]

It is indeed sad and indicative of the lack of education of the struggle that certain sections of our population are not aware of the importance of people like O R Tambo

I am of the firm belief that even people like Hertzog and Verwoerd be remembered, but remembered for the human rights atrocities they perpetuated.

But people like OR Tambo, Walter Sisulu, Albert Luthuli, Steve Biko, Chris Hani, Solomon Mahlangu, Joe Slovo, Beyers Naude, Dullah Omar, Sol Plaatjie and countless others should not only be remembered but should be honoured

for these people devoted their lives to the upliftment of their fellow man, they rose above material wants and sacrificed everything, some even their lives to create this great country we live in today

I propose that not only JHB international be changed, but also every other airport, train station, taxi rank and bus depot in this country.

Jan Smuts Airport was changed to Johannesburg International, and tourists did not stop comming, people both internationally and locally have grown accustomed to the new name in less than ten years, I am sure we will be able to get used to OR Tambo Int'l

Top post, amongst those who understand our history the fitness of Tambo for being honored is not even being debated. I believe other institutions are still going to be renamed to show that we appreciate the sacrifices made by our selfless heroes.

 

[Angelo]

He is? I thought just an ANC one?

Not at all, first of all the ANC is an African icon and he spearheaded this icon for many years when other key leaders were imprisoned. It's regrettable that a man like this can be honoured even in Europe but some South Africans still plead ignorance to his importance. It shows how far we still have to go in terms of mutual respect and harmony in this country.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

No one said they shouldnt be appropriately acknowledged Angelo. But re-re-renaming Aiports is not the way to go.

 

[icyrus]

It shows how far we still have to go in terms of mutual respect and harmony in this country.

Funny you should say that as the airport in question was once named Jan Smuts ...

 

[Tassidar]

Not at all, first of all the ANC is an African icon and he spearheaded this icon for many years when other key leaders were imprisoned. It's regrettable that a man like this can be honoured even in Europe but some South Africans still plead ignorance to his importance. It shows how far we still have to go in terms of mutual respect and harmony in this country.

I have to laugh at Angelo's comments. Firstly, he posts a new point without ever bothering to answer questions posed to him. Angelo, why post in this case? You are going to convince no-one, if you cannot win a single argument. Every time you lose a battle, you just start a new one. This forum is strewn with battlegrounds, where your blood has been spilled, yet you persist in going to war. Why? Are you a glutton for punishment? Are you a troll? Do you even realise how soundly you are beaten? Have you no pride?

I agree that ORT deserves respect, but no more so that JCS. Why not create something new and name it after ORT. Renaming serves no purpose, except to rewrite history, and pretend that white people had no heroes. In other words to try to offend.

 

[rwenzori]

It's regrettable that a man like this can be honoured even in Europe but some South Africans still plead ignorance to his importance.

Eastern Europe must be! None of my pom mates has ever heard of him.

Importance to what? Or whom? Not me I reckon.

 

[JBFRobisher]

Hell even on that cr@p poll done by that bastion of impartiality the SABC, Jan Smuts came out way ahead of Olly. Even Eugene beat him! LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABC3's_Great_South_Africans

 

[Angelo]

I have to laugh at Angelo's comments. Firstly, he posts a new point without ever bothering to answer questions posed to him. Angelo, why post in this case? You are going to convince no-one, if you cannot win a single argument. Every time you lose a battle, you just start a new one. This forum is strewn with battlegrounds, where your blood has been spilled, yet you persist in going to war. Why? Are you a glutton for punishment? Are you a troll? Do you even realise how soundly you are beaten? Have you no pride?

I agree that ORT deserves respect, but no more so that JCS. Why not create something new and name it after ORT. Renaming serves no purpose, except to rewrite history, and pretend that white people had no heroes. In other words to try to offend.

I'm not here to "win arguments/battles" or "convince" anyone, just stating my views and am satisfied with the status quo. And seeing that my point of view is in the minority I won't be able to qoute and respond directly to each and every post and neither would I moan and whinge like you if I didn't get replied to. How pathetic and childish of you to think this is some sort of "battle" to be won or lost. Does your negative and pessimistic life become better when you "win a war" against me? Don't you have other avenues in your <deleted by="ic" reason="personal attack"/> life other than an online forum where you can go to when you crave "winning a battle"?

Eastern Europe must be! None of my pom mates has ever heard of him.

Importance to what? Or whom? Not me I reckon.

No in London, guess your "pom mates" are just as ignorant as some South Africans.

 

[icyrus]

I'm not here to "win arguments/battles" or "convince" anyone, just stating my views and am satisfied with the status quo. And seeing that my point of view is in the minority I won't be able to qoute and respond directly to each and every post and neither would I moan and whinge like you if I didn't get replied to. How pathetic and childish of you to think this is some sort of "battle" to be won or lost. Does your negative and pessimistic life become better when you "win a war" against me? Don't you have other avenues in your <deleted by="ic" reason="personal attack"/> life other than an online forum where you can go to when you crave "winning a battle"?

His point in a nutshell was that your points and view are worth nothing as you do not debate, discuss or otherwise intellectually contribute here. You just post crap and then duck and dive when called on it. You views here are worth absolutely nothing - not because of the content - but because of how you behave.

You could, however, confound us all and actually contribute in some meaningful way. Until such time I think you will find people have little patience for a troll.

 

[icyrus]

You post this:

And seeing that my point of view is in the minority I won't be able to qoute and respond directly to each and every post

And then directy post this:

No in London, guess your "pom mates" are just as ignorant as some South Africans.

So you seem to be able to respond when it suits you, just as long as its not on the topic at hand or provides a chance for you to troll some more.

 

[rwenzori]

No in London, guess your "pom mates" are just as ignorant as some South Africans.

Nah - more like you were just talking k@k in the first place.

 

[Tassidar]

I'm not here to "win arguments/battles" or "convince" anyone, just stating my views and am satisfied with the status quo. And seeing that my point of view is in the minority I won't be able to qoute and respond directly to each and every post and neither would I moan and whinge like you if I didn't get replied to. How pathetic and childish of you to think this is some sort of "battle" to be won or lost. Does your negative and pessimistic life become better when you "win a war" against me? Don't you have other avenues in your <deleted by="ic" reason="personal attack"/> life other than an online forum where you can go to when you crave "winning a battle"?

Actually, I am quite happy to concede a loss, and the joy for me is in debating whether or not I win or lose.

When I first joined, I was delighted to see you were expressing your views on this forum, as I thought it would contribute to interesting debate. However, after repeated failure by you to justify any viewpoints, I lost all respect for you, as did most of the other forumites.

My behaviour has never been pathetic or childish, and challenge you to provide details where my behaviour has been such. The reasons for my last post were specifically designed to get you to account for your actions on this forum - something many forumites have been trying for a long time.

My life is neither negative or pessamistic. I have chosen to live in SA and take the good with the bad. I have a British passport, and could easily go to Britain, but have chosen to remain in SA because I love the country and feel I have a valid contribution to make.

I will report your last post as a bad post as you speak of "my pathetic little life". You know nothing about me or my life, and I can tell you it is certainly not pathetic.

With regard to your posting, it is not that I expect you to respond to each post. However, you are highly selective about which posts you respond to. Specifically, when you are pinned against the wall, with no line of argument, then you do not respond.

I would very much like to be able to debate with you, as I do welcome different viewpoints, but that means coming to the party and engaging in constructive debate. You have not done this so far.

 

[rwenzori]

I would very much like to be able to debate with you, as I do welcome different viewpoints, but that means coming to the party and engaging in constructive debate.

I enjoyed his posts initially - refreshing to hear a different viewpoint. But Angelo does not engage debate, and he thows tantrums and badmouths the mods when he does not get his way. Not to be taken too seriously, and not worth your long replies - they will bear no fruit I fear.

 

[preshane]

And Jan Smuts did the same but not only for this country but for the world

Jan Smuts did the same as the leaders I mentioned, what kind of life sacrifices did he make, don't get me wrong, he was an excellent statesmen and had a brilliant mind ( as attested to in his part in the International arena )

But can one argue that he gave up more than any of the Iconic heroes of the liberation struggle

P.S ( not related ) Jan Smuts was criticised in much the same way as President Thabo Mbeki for spending much too much time abroad