Our deputy president flying high. again.

xtermin8or

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exactly it is a waste - therefore a board of enquiry has been established to see how this slipped through the cracks and how to prevent it happening in the future

@ Jonty - I won't be celebrating - I'll actually be quite sad - he always provides some comic relief in Parly - at least his little lapdog - Gibson - will be there to provide the entertainment
 

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Nowhere in any of this have I seen mention of the reason for the trip??! Why was she sent!!! to the uk - or for what reason did she travel to the uk?

All my plans in place, no problems? Um yes, we had to charter a flight from Switz for 4.5 million; oh, okay then.

Bit like the bank account. Incapable of asking the most rudimentary questions which would be 'normal?'

Perhaps this explains Mbeki's failures; no questions and no follow-up.
 

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Nowhere in any of this have I seen mention of the reason for the trip??! Why was she sent!!! to the uk - or for what reason did she travel to the uk?


Since when were the highups in government accountable? They don't need reasons, I mean they appointed themselves. Sorry I mean they were elected.
 

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she was visiting the country to discuss ways to encourage faster and shared economic growth between the two countries. It was an official trip, just doing her job, officials in the Defence Force messed up and chartered a plane without proper approval - might be some sort of kickback scheme at work here
 

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they are democratically elected representatives of the people, carrying the hopes of the nation on their shoulders - I would like to see Dubya boarding an American Airlines Flight
Let's just distinguish between the Commander in Chief of the most powerful country on the planet and a tin-pot corrupt Deputy President of a country not rich enough to feed all its people.

Nowhere did I say that it was right that such a huge amount of money was spent - but it is not the DP's decision - that decision is squarely in the hands of the DoD
This is just a cop-out. I wouldn't even have used such a flimsy excuse in nursery school. The DP didn't want to use a smaller plane. Maybe she needed space for her shopping or for the other 5 passengers (100 to 1 they turn out to be her friends and family:eek: ) She's the DP and is not aware of how she will get to London (via France and Scotland)!!

That is such bad judgement considering her last ordeal through the media.

Air Force One is actually just a 747. And president bush spends a lot more time in the Air than his South African counterpart should, given the size if the US....
It's a flying white-house/pentagon with a command centre for the nuclear bomb, anti-missile defences, etc etc

what's the opposition party got to do with this:confused: , they did not even bring it to the fore, it was Die Beeld newspaper that did
Actually I know where the story came from. They were thinking, here we have a story and the facts & pictures what do we do? I didn't hear them say "Let's call Tony Leon" (!) because in that situation you don't. You think: ""Newspapers!""
The reason the press get these stories is because they pay for them and it is part of their profession to dig around in any case. A journalist's job is exciting in RSA because there are so many stories about corrupt politicians, high profile criminals and other ANC scandals.
 

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Deputy president's travel controversy
Yet another controversy surrounding the deputy president and the use of a multi million rand chartered plane has emerged.

702 Eyewitness News can this morning reveal that Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka travelled on a chartered jet costing at least R3m when she went to Australia and New Zealand in October this year. She was there on AA working visit.

This comes just days after a storm of controversy erupted following her recent trip to the UK that cost R4.5m, as a Swiss plane had to be chartered as no pilots were available locally to fly her in AA defence force jet as per usual.

Defence Minister Mosioua Lekota, who is ultimately responsible for the deputy president’s travel, has described her R4.5m UK trip as shocking, irregular and out of proportion with reasonable standards.

But it now appears that the use of expensive chartered flights may be the rule rather than the exception.

702 Eyewitness News has learnt that Mlambo-Ngcuka flew aboard a Bombardier Global Express jet, registered locally to Kangra aviation travelling from Lanseria Airport to Sydney, Australia on the afternoon of October 15.

Using the call sign 'South African Two' the plane flew to Canberra, Wellington, Auckland and Perth before returning to Lanseria six days later.

We asked Execujet how much we would pay for a straight forward flight down under and back on a similar plane. They estimated R3.3m.

The Ministry of Defence has openly condemned the high cost of last week's trip.

The National Assembly's Defence Committee has also warned the SANDF cannot afford the bill and it is unclear where or if they will be able to find another R3m.

http://www.702.co.za/news/news.asp

Sooooo... Holiday in Dubai - R700k, A Golf outing at Sun City R75k, Australasian tour - R3.3 Million... Europe in 6 days - R4.5 Million. The look on the SA Tax Payers' faces for footing the bill... Priceless.
 
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News24: More bills for Phumzile trip

Deputy president Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka's contentious visit to Britain turned into a disaster when the aircraft that was hired at great cost to transport her broke down and had to be replaced.

The bill for the replacement aircraft to get her back home will also be sent to the South African taxpayer.

Two things stand out for me:
If the President is out of the country -the Deputy President should be deputised to stand in his place. Both should not be out of the country at the same time.
After the Dubai trip in dec/jan, Lawrence "Whitewash" Mushwana was asked to investigate. His recommendation was that the deputies travel arrangements should be subject to greater scrutiny and costs control. Obviously this has not been acted upon.
 

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It's a flying white-house/pentagon with a command centre for the nuclear bomb, anti-missile defences, etc etc
Not really... Just nitpicking:

Air Force One is the call sign of any Air Force plane on which POTUS is flying. There are currently two VC-25A's which make up the peacetime fleet (IOW, not a complete military command center).

What you're thinking of is known as the "doomsday plane" - the Boeing E-4B - which is the National Airborne Operations Center (NAOC). There are four of these. Of course, as soon as POTUS steps on to one of them its call sign changes to Air Force One.
 

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What about the meeting?

Why cancel the meeting with the First Minister of Scotland?

There was so much potential there to discuss call centre jobs.

South Africa has a good repution here for just that (I know of companies here who source their call centres from SA).

I'm sure this missed meeting is going to cost us more that R4.5 million and will seriously damage our reputation.
 

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Why cancel the meeting with the First Minister of Scotland?

There was so much potential there to discuss call centre jobs.

South Africa has a good repution here for just that (I know of companies here who source their call centres from SA).

I'm sure this missed meeting is going to cost us more that R4.5 million and will seriously damage our reputation.

Nobody is suggesting she should cancel her meetings. It is being suggested, however, that she not fly the world's most exclusive private jets at a cost of millions to the SA tax payer.
 

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Nobody is suggesting she should cancel her meetings. It is being suggested, however, that she not fly the world's most exclusive private jets at a cost of millions to the SA tax payer.

and once again, I will say, that the whole country and Government agree with you Jonty - therefore a board of enquiry will be launched to investigate the trips and the approval process for these trips

I agree with Chiskop - this shoud have been done sooner, after the initial trip to Dubai - but Government got too caught up trying to explain that it was not the DP's doing but the process - that it seems they never got around to the process

this should not happen this time again, let the board of enquiry do their work

for the record I will state it again ( and it makes perfect sense )
Mlambo-Ngcuka does not make travel arrangements - the Department of Defence does - something has been going wrong there - and the blame can not be placed at the door of the Deputy President

IMHO - Mlambo-Ngcuka would not be able to choose an aircraft for a trip as she does not even know the capabilities of different aircraft - therefore this important job is left to experts in the SAAF

also remember that Mlambo-Ngcuka offered to fly commercial airlines and to use trains while in the UK
 

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I agree with Chiskop - this shoud have been done sooner, after the initial trip to Dubai

Um no. It was done after Dubai - the problem is that it appears that no attempt has been made to adhere to Mushwana's ruling.
 

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Whats the point in the government owning SAA if even they dont use it?
 

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Um no. It was done after Dubai - the problem is that it appears that no attempt has been made to adhere to Mushwana's ruling.

what I meant was that after Mushwana said there should be tighter controls etc. the Dod should have looked into the matter then, not wait until it happened again then launch an inquiry
 

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what I meant was that after Mushwana said there should be tighter controls etc. the Dod should have looked into the matter then, not wait until it happens again then launch an inquiry

TO be completely honest - zero controls were put in place, this has gone on for more than a year and it just keeps happening. How long do boards of inquiries take to do these sorts of things anyway? 3 Months? 6 Months? It'll be a while yet before anything happens, and unfortunately little will change during this time.

To me, however, the litmus test will be the punishment meted out to whomever is in charge. Clearly there is something wrong, but will someone actually be fired? Probably not.

The bottom line is SAA is owned by the government. SAA has cost the tax payer billions in losses. Why, instead of creating a low cost airline that is already running at an immense loss according to various media sources, not make these planes available for the presidency?

Finally, I will not accept that a portion of blame cannot be appropriated on the DP, particularly regarding her private jet flight from Pretoria to Sun City which lasted 13 minutes. She is a smart, intelligent woman. Surely she has some basic understanding that it costs a lot of money to be inside a private Jet. Particularly given that it was not the first time.

Trying to pass the buck is to be expected, but come on, there was a massive outcry after the Dubai trip. Now three more??? If she can't grasp this, then I don't think she should even be the Deputy President. I understand that she is not in charge of her travel, but really, she should know better given the past. Not to mention the Swiss flag on the side of the plane should have given her some idea.
 

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Well that is to be expected from the current government. Unfortunately their supporters will vote them back into power again and again and again and again and again and again ad infinitum.

Not all there supporters. Well at least not Kilo39 :p

:D
 

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She has offered to travel using commercial airlines ( SAA etc ) and use public transport in foreign countries - but according to Lekota that is against the law - and he refused

What I am saying is that after the Dubai trip - there should have been an investigation and controls should have been tightened - something is very wrong - albeit late they are doing something about it - Lekota has promised that the board of inquiry will not take long to complete the report - he has also said that he will take action
 

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She has offered to travel using commercial airlines ( SAA etc ) and use public transport in foreign countries - but according to Lekota that is against the law - and he refused

What I am saying is that after the Dubai trip - there should have been an investigation and controls should have been tightened - something is very wrong - albeit late they are doing something about it - Lekota has promised that the board of inquiry will not take long to complete the report - he has also said that he will take action

If you can I would like to see the specific law forbidding her to travel on commercial airlines. Also, if you have a source for Lekota's statement in this regard I would like a reference. If such a law exists then it should be overturned with immediate effect.

In any case, Nelson Mandela himself to this day travels by commercial plane. Even when he was president, he only made use of his official aircraft when commercial flights could not be arranged on time.
 
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