Outcry over graduate salaries offered for Home Affairs’ mass digitisation project

[rietrot]

The superficial problem I have with this is R12500 is directly taken from the EFF idiots. It's a bit of a meme that that is living wage. Lol

The second bigger issue. This is basically data capturing. You do not need any real qualifications for it.

It is around ballpark what an entry level data capturing clerk should probably get

 

[konfab]

master's degree will earn up to R14 250

Why can't they earn that in the private sector? Oh right, because their masters degree is a waste of paper.

 

[surface]

Choice to take the only job available at minimum wage or starve? Suppose a choice is a choice. To be fair, the jobs being offered here aren't graduate level, you could have had school kids do it, but this is being to employ the grads for a bit.

I agree in part. I still have an immigrant mindset and even after all these years, I would still apply for this type of salary even if currently, I am in top 1.5% bracket. But if I am not getting a job then job is a job. 4 of us stayed shared a flat when we could have easily afforded to rent on our own. One got to do what one got to do.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

What thread was that in. Think I need to read it for shits and giggles

How much money it takes to be happy in South Africa

How much money it takes to be happy in South Africa In a record-high inflationary economy, one's happiness can be affected when we see prices going up, while our money's purchasing power continues to decrease - in other words your money today will not go as far tomorrow.

mybroadband.co.za

 

[rietrot]

Choice to take the only job available at minimum wage or starve? Suppose a choice is a choice. To be fair, the jobs being offered here aren't graduate level, you could have had school kids do it, but this is being to employ the grads for a bit.

This is why we need slavery. Th world would be a much better place if we force people who can't care for themselves to work. Remove that difficult choice form them. Seeing it was never really a choice to begin with

 

[konfab]

The superficial problem I have with this is R12500 is directly taken from the EFF idiots. It's a bit of a meme that that is living wage. Lol

The second bigger issue. This is basically data capturing. You do not need any real qualifications for it.

It is around ballpark what an entry level data capturing clerk should probably get

Problem is it is still a relatively high responsibility job. If they f_up, someone else is going to have to do a colossal amount of admin to fix it.

I recently had to deal with home affairs who got Konfabling #2's name wrong on the birth certificate despite it being clearly written on the form. (Of course they could just make life easier and have digital forms available for people to print and sign, but who am I to question the magnificence and intelligence of the South African bureaucracy)

 

[azbob]

This is why we need slavery. Th world would be a much better place if we force people who can't care for themselves to work. Remove that difficult choice form them. Seeing it was never really a choice to begin with

Are we allowed to rape our slave women?

 

[surface]

What thread was that in. Think I need to read it for shits and giggles

Yup, a bar is nothing these days. If you're a single person you can't even buy the standard "Toyota corolla and 3 bedroom suburb home" with that.

Decent family home in Southern suburbs of Cape Town is around R40k p/m. Nothing lavish by any means, most likely a bit of fixing up here and there. Just a decent area with good schools and a garden. Then factor private schooling for an average of 2 kids. A bar ain't going to cut it by any means.

 

[rietrot]

Are we allowed to rape our slave women?

It's like a pet. Are you allowed to rape your dog, just because you own it? Don't let the SPCA find out.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

It's like a pet. Are you allowed to rape your dog, just because you own it? Don't let the SPCA find out.

That would depend if you're attracted to your dog...

 

[rietrot]

Problem is it is still a relatively high responsibility job. If they f_up, someone else is going to have to do a colossal amount of admin to fix it.

I recently had to deal with home affairs who got Konfabling #2's name wrong on the birth certificate despite it being clearly written on the form. (Of course they could just make life easier and have digital forms available for people to print and sign, but who am I to question the magnificence and intelligence of the South African bureaucracy)

I think it is accepted that there is about a 1% error rate with these kinds of things generally in business. Names are difficult to spell.

So it gets checked by another person but some errors will still go through, thats unavoidable.

As long as you have some accountability and an easy way to fix it at the end of the day.

 

[konfab]

This is why we need slavery. Th world would be a much better place if we force people who can't care for themselves to work. Remove that difficult choice form them. Seeing it was never really a choice to begin with

What you are looking for, is poor laws. Already been tried and tested.

Didn't work too well, as coercing people to work doesn't solve the problem

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Victorian-Workhouse/

In our time did a great podcast on them:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0001m73


There is a solution, and that is the free market and private charity. Free market with no minimum wage allows anyone to work, and private charities can be picky about who they give charity to, so they can choose not to help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.

 

[rietrot]

That would depend if you're attracted to your dog...

No buddy. Not allowed, even if you really like him and you are convinced he likes you back.

 

[rietrot]

What you are looking for, is poor laws. Already been tried and tested.

Didn't work too well, as coercing people to work doesn't solve the problem

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Victorian-Workhouse/

In our time did a great podcast on them:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0001m73


There is a solution, and that is the free market and private charity. Free market with no minimum wage allows anyone to work, and private charities can be picky about who they give charity to, so they can choose not to help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.

Agree that post was semi sarcastic, because the person basically made an argument that there isn't any free choice, they reject the very idea of a free market. So I gave them a solution more in-line with that reasoning.

 

[Mystic Twilight]

I can see the 30% maths coming out here lol
R17 * 8 hours * 22 days is not R12500

No he is correct, his calculation is R17 x 24 hours x 31 days and then rounded down.

That aside, it is in the interest of the unions to have employee income as high as possible, more money available to be spent on union membership fees to pay for those new bmw.

 

[BeerIsNotGood...]

Trevor Shaku SAFTU National Spokesperson said any job that is below minimum living wage which is R17 per hour, which amounts to R12 500 per month, was an insult. He said they wanted the government to change the minimum wage fromR4 000 saying it was not helping people.

https://www.iol.co.za/sunday-tribune/news/outcry-over-graduate-salaries-offered-for-home-affairs-mass-digitisation-project-765a639f-ca6a-40f3-b7f9-e618ae390a4c

Oh look government offering jobs below minimum wage...

@surface I thought government was pure and perfect what happened?

 

[rietrot]

No he is correct, his calculation is R17 x 24 hours x 31 days and then rounded down.

Lol but thats wrong. Because Saturday and Sunday is overtime

 

[Mystic Twilight]

Lol but thats wrong. Because Saturday and Sunday is overtime

Who said anything about paying overtime? If the guy can convince himself and others about working 24 hours, he can certainly ignore the overtime.

 

[surface]

Oh look government offering jobs below minimum wage...

@surface I thought government was pure and perfect what happened?

"Government is pure and perfect?" Now is the perfect time for you to show who said this and how I am linked to that person who said this.

Don't hesitate to confer with your soweto friends on this topic.

 

[Mystic Twilight]

This is basically data capturing.

Bets on how many identities are going to be stolen this time.