Over a third of senior government employees in South Africa are not qualified

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RaptorSA said:
DA points out a serious issue caused by the ANC, adds some numbers in order to quantify it...
Gets attacked by people while they defend the ANC.

This is why we can't have nice things.
May I suggest voting FF+ next time?
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Attacked? I did no such thing, I asked a question seeing as the DA is also very fond of putting unqualified people in senior positions.
 
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Come to the Western Cape. See the water zero day fiasco...where are those desalination stations that they said they would build? What about the covid round up all the homeless (how we wasted money on idiotic ideas), how they are pumping raw sewerage into our rivers and oceans. The DA flops are oh grand scales.

This is all polliticking and wont actually fix any issues. Because in all honesty DA. Youre highly skilled people are messing up so badly too. But rather than fixing your own issues to improve, you fingerpoint at someone else's mistakes. And when we prove its you thats bad too, soon we get legal charges against us to make us shut up.

Thats the main reason why the DA wont ever take charge of this country. Best to just shutup, listen and improve themself first.

Ok I said enough.
 
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Sorry I think equally bad of the ANC and the DA. Both are pretty bad.

Both like to say how they achieved something (but it was actually whole communities sick of both these parties that did it.)

The picture is an example when you have to deal with the city of cape town about your house plans....
 

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Incredible statistics, given that the first step to getting most positions is the administrative / gatekeeping part (verification of compliance with mandatory requirements including minimum qualifications etc).

My experience with the younger public servants is that the paper qualifications are normally there. It's the corruption, inadequate on the job training, fast tracked promotions (BEE?), couldn't care less attitude and lack of accountability / inadequate supervision which are the major problems.

Would be interesting to see whether these are recent hires, or most are people who were appointed when the educational requirements were less and have risen through the ranks.
 
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Corelli said:
Come to the Western Cape. See the water zero day fiasco...where are those desalination stations that they said they would build? What about the covid round up all the homeless (how we wasted money on idiotic ideas), how they are pumping raw sewerage into our rivers and oceans. The DA flops are oh grand scales.

This is all polliticking and wont actually fix any issues. Because in all honesty DA. Youre highly skilled people are messing up so badly too. But rather than fixing your own issues to improve, you fingerpoint at someone else's mistakes. And when we prove its you thats bad too, soon we get legal charges against us to make us shut up.

Thats the main reason why the DA wont ever take charge of this country. Best to just shutup, listen and improve themself first.

Ok I said enough.
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Come to the rest of the country, see how the government has with any crisis. Go look at the EC for water, covid and and. The DA isn't the best but it's far better then what's running the country now.
 
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Azg said:
Incredible statistics, given that the first step to getting most positions is the administrative / gatekeeping part (verification of compliance with mandatory requirements including minimum qualifications etc).

My experience with public servants is that the paper qualifications are normally there, it's the corruption, inadequate on the job training, couldn't care less attitude and lack of accountability / inadequate supervision which are a problem.

Would be interesting to see whether these are recent hires, or most are people who were appointed when the educational requirements were less and have risen through the ranks.
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Well said.

Also farmers just have to know how to farm. A PhD degree, wont let your crops grow, (unless you use the degree for compost).

I think these days we can have many a kid that grows up without degrees, that can sit learning great skills from either Youtube, Udemy, Coursera, Edx, Google Analytics etc.

What would make them really successful if they have the passion for it. Sure they may not have had rich parents to pay for their fancy degrees, but they are dedicated to achieve.

The sad reality is most go to companies, are cast out because they dont have degrees and then start their own successful companies (only to have their ex bosses even more jealous of them.

Thats why I like what the Eskom boss said. I am hiring people that can actually "DO" the job.
 
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Corelli said:
Well said.

Also farmers just have to know how to farm. A PhD degree, wont let your crops grow, (unless you use the degree for compost).

I think these days we can have many a kid that grows up without degrees, that can sit learning great skills from either Youtube, Udemy, Coursera, Edx, Google Analytics etc.

What would make them really successful if they have the passion for it. Sure they may not have had rich parents to pay for their fancy degrees, but they are dedicated to achieve.

The sad reality is most go to companies, are cast out because they dont have degrees and then start their own successful companies (only to have their ex bosses even more jealous of them.

Thats why I like what the Eskom boss said. I am hiring people that can actually "DO" the job.
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So when you look at government. Do you think they are hiring people that can actually do the job?
 
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The DA likes to take credit for people in their province's success, even though they had nothing to do with it.

Our local councillor specifically takes praise for how the suburb is run, but never attend a single community project and keeps sending mail to say how illegal it is for the community to clean up the area themself, or to fix potholes themself, or to spend their own money and time as well to improve the parks for the kids.

But the councillor loves to say they are the reason for the excellent state of the suburb, yet they dont actually do anything.

Its going to be one interesting election. I think we will see more independents coming forward for a change.
 
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Vrotappel said:
Do you really want to know or are you just posting random ****?
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Imagine getting people that can actually get the job done?

Ironically, Pta had one that managed to get light pole open electrical connections closed etc. Then politics got in the way. ANC, DA, meh. Now this thread. Politics.

The perfect machine. Each component must is / must be flawless. Yet somehow they don't mesh to fulfill purpose.
 
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Nothing new, not started by the ANC. Before 94 your best qualification was a white skin.
 
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Nothing new, not started by the ANC. Before 94 your best qualification was a white skin.
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Firstly it would've been about 1990, also it would've been a bit more then that. A white skin, a matric maybe higher. I mean we did have a president who didn't get past standard 4.
 
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Don't see the problem if they can do the job. Many people in industry don't have the formal qualifications but seem to do just fine. Many right here on hallowed MyBB.
 
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