P&G Challenges Men to Shave Their ‘Toxic Masculinity’ in Gillette Ad

Cray

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Agreed, but just because there are outliers, does not mean the "general" truth to be untrue.
I am willing to concede, that after generations of businesses behaving this way, perhaps we are turning the corner for smarter consumers and ergo more morally responsible businesses but not right now.
Agree, it does seem to be a more modern way of thinking, I doubt anything like a shareholder revolt would have happened 50 years ago. Also think the culture and existing wealth of the country has a lot to do with it, I would imagine corporate responsibility is a far bigger deal in European countries than say Latin America (That company, Vale that owned that Dam that collapsed in Brazil for example).
 

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The moment you make one too many concessions, those concessions start seeping in everywhere.
I'll claim that they do it to engender conformism and cohesion. A key aim is to destroy individuality. It doesn't indicate it has value outside of the military.
I disagree.
I work in an environment where there are consequences if the rules/procedures are not followed explicitly.
 

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You and Jordan Peterson might believe this, but that doesn't make it true.
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Which might be true. But it can also be true that he gets it wrong as to what constitutes an outward sign that someone has something about themselves to sort out.
Why would it not be true?
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How is he wrong about that?
 

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Completely wrong. Business started as Barter/Trading system where accumulating any single one item would not enable you to create infinite wealth.
With the invention of money, a centralised universal currency, it was suddenly possible to do so.

It is possible to run a business at a profit and still offer quality products at reasonable prices while paying staff reasonable salaries commensurate with the value they add to the business.
However, it is LESS profitable to do so and requires a LOT more work to manage effectively and provides less return for investment for investors. It requires a lot of moral values modern businesses cannot possess because of the way they are run. Investors want maximum return from their investment while caring little for the impact it has on the business, product, personnel and client.

I am not saying that the above is a workable system, because a single deviant will break it, but it does firmly and permanently disqualify businesses from make a moral stand and anything approaching it, is simply virtue signalling to sell more product.
Have you ever started a business?

Was is successful?
 

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It's getting retweeted. Dunno what you're talking about, "marketing disaster".
These two are no different. Praising obese pigs just because there are many of them is not something we as a society should be doing. This whale is unhealthy and should not be held up and celebrated.

Get some self control.

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And? What's your point exactly?

That this is bad for Gillette somehow?
Did I say it's bad for Gillette? It's clearly bad for society - although Cray deleted their post - it was obvious he/she found personal validation in the celebration of the image. And it's not hard to surmise that a wider audience out there does the same. Which is harmful to the individual and society as a whole.
 

Hamish McPanji

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Did I say it's bad for Gillette? It's clearly bad for society - although Cray deleted their post - it was obvious he/she found personal validation in the celebration of the image. And it's not hard to surmise that a wider audience out there does the same. Which is harmful to the individual and society as a whole.
You responded to my post, where I was questioning whether it was in fact a marketing failure at all.

You responded with some moralist BS. Which has fsckall to do with my post
 

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You responded to my post, where I was questioning whether it was in fact a marketing failure at all.

You responded with some moralist BS. Which has fsckall to do with my post
Moralist BS, lol! If you looked at the retweets, most of them are saying what I'm saying.
So marketing disaster, maybe.

So many morons abound these days that it's hard to make an objective assessment on a broader audience. It is estimated by 2020 3/4 Americans will be overweight or obese. The ignorant and entitled masses are expanding. Take heart that there are many out there just like you. You are winning, yay!
 

Hamish McPanji

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Moralist BS, lol! If you looked at the retweets, most of them are saying what I'm saying.
So marketing disaster, maybe.


So many morons abound these days that it's hard to make an objective assessment on a broader audience. It is estimated by 2020 3/4 Americans will be overweight or obese. The ignorant and entitled masses are expanding. Take heart that there are many out there just like you. You are winning, yay!
Who cares what they are saying? They're just advertising for Gillette whilst doing it. So definitely a marketing coup by Gillette.

It seems they've turned pro at triggering people online. Or maybe it's the people online falling for this schit again and again are a bit thick
 

Hamish McPanji

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Lol Hamish is also a bit thick around the belly guys. Don't fat shame him.
Yup, I'm a fat Bastid. It's my one fault, so I own it.

I Don't particularly care what people on the Internet think. Especially the trigger friendly ones.
 
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