Pakistan International Airlines passenger plane crashes in Karachi

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When pilot did manage to lift the plane back for go around means they do have knowledge and experience. lots of ideas comes in the pilot minds to act upon at that very moment but some time your life is suppose to end like.
 

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When pilot did manage to lift the plane back for go around means they do have knowledge and experience. lots of ideas comes in the pilot minds to act upon at that very moment but some time your life is suppose to end like.
That doesn't make sense.
 

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Another Blancolirio update. Preliminary analysis indicates a rushed approach, with hugely excessive speed, too fast to actually lower the gear. No idea why though:

 

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Another Blancolirio update. Preliminary analysis indicates a rushed approach, with hugely excessive speed, too fast to actually lower the gear. No idea why though:

What speeds would prevent gear from lowering. Is it a safety mechanic or because of air resistance?
 

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What speeds would prevent gear from lowering. Is it a safety mechanic or because of air resistance?
The landing gear and doors can be damaged by excessive airspeeds, so there are sensors and warning systems. There are other warnings for flaps, which can also be damaged. The pilots may have confused the two warnings which sound identical, and then forgotten the gear completely in their rush to land. We will only know when the CVR becomes available.
 

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The landing gear and doors can be damaged by excessive airspeeds, so there are sensors and warning systems. There are other warnings for flaps, which can also be damaged. The pilots may have confused the two warnings which sound identical, and then forgotten the gear completely in their rush to land. We will only know when the CVR becomes available.
thanks for the info.
 

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What speeds would prevent gear from lowering. Is it a safety mechanic or because of air resistance?
The ADIRU on the A320 will not allow you to lower the gear if the indicated airspeed is above 260 knots.

In the ATC recording you can also clearly hear the gear down failure alarm in the cockpit when the captain is talking.
 
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The ADIRU on the A320 will not allow you to lover the gear if the indicated airspeed is above 260 knots.

In the ATC recording you can also clearly hear the gear down failure alarm in the cockpit when the captain is talking.
Correct. The problem is that the flap overspeed and the gear overspeed warnings use the same chime recorded by ATC. They may have missed the second one completely. Both covered in the Blancolirio video.
 

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Correct. The problem is that the flap overspeed and the gear overspeed warnings use the same chime recorded by ATC. They may have missed the second one completely. Both covered in the Blancolirio video.
I think the problem is that they were overspeed. No matter which alarms they did or didn't hear.
 

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Ironically, due to the gear having remained stowed, the A320 upon this touchdown of all touchdowns, likely did not call the PIC a retard multiple times.
 

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More like negligence, incompetence.

Human error, means no mechanical failure:
Mr Khan said there was nothing wrong with the aircraft, an Airbus A320, run by Pakistan International Airlines (PIA).

"The pilot ignored the instructions of the air traffic controllers [ATC] and the ATC, on the other hand, did not inform the pilot about the engine colliding," Mr Khan added.
 

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Human error, means no mechanical failure:
and the ATC, on the other hand, did not inform the pilot about the engine colliding," Mr Khan added.
I'd expect the pilot to know that he smacked the ground with parts of his aircraft, and the ATC did question if he was going to attempt another belly landing, which in itself is confirmation that he hit the ground on the first attempt.
 

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I'd expect the pilot to know that he smacked the ground with parts of his aircraft, and the ATC did question if he was going to attempt another belly landing, which in itself is confirmation that he hit the ground on the first attempt.
They were distracted as per the report. They were discussing an issue unrelated to the aircraft or landing, possibly unaware of their impending impact with the runway. A go-around was attempted but was futile. The aircraft was already damaged.
 

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Human error, means no mechanical failure:
Surely their gauges related to engine performance would have been going crazy, so regardless of the ATC, the pilots should surely have observed problems with the engines?

But probably did not due to loss of SA
 
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