Parents fume as black and white grade R children are 'separated' in North West classroom

Geoff.D

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So, all those now getting hot under the collar about languages in schools should start with the Constitution, then proceed to the Acts governing basic, tertiary and higher education in the country. Once you have all read these documents, THEN feel free to come back and deliver your arguments.

So, as I am not going to do your homework for you beyond what the Constitution says, please defer from spouting rubbish until you have done your homework. And those that now have declared themselves authorities on the ROA, please desist as none of those that have waded in so far have clue what they are talking about.

Section 29(2) of the Constitution provides that every learner has the right to receive a basic education in the language of his or her choice, where this is reasonably practicable. This right is an important recognition of equality and diversity, and the need to depart from a history in which education – and language in education, in particular – was used as a vehicle to implement and strengthen apartheid. Through this right, learners’ diversity and individuality is recognised, and this can facilitate the important objective of unlocking their potential.
 

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So, all those now getting hot under the collar about languages in schools should start with the Constitution, then proceed to the Acts governing basic, tertiary and higher education in the country. Once you have all read these documents, THEN feel free to come back and deliver your arguments.

So, as I am not going to do your homework for you beyond what the Constitution says, please defer from spouting rubbish until you have done your homework. And those that now have declared themselves authorities on the ROA, please desist as none of those that have waded in so far have clue what they are talking about.
Think some people who have waded in have had a clue and been in line with what you posted... Limited number haven't but then they have shouted the loudest...
 

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Mybroadband will forever be racist... The bile some of you spew in trying to defend this rubbish is the reason why our country is k@k. I just feel sorry for your kids if you have any, they will not survive in the world with your genes running through their veins
Could you kindly point out the bile some of the members spewed?
 

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There is no first language education in south africa unless your first language happens to be English or Afrikaans.
Honestly, I hope you are wrong. On the other hand that explains the poor results of South African learners. They are some of the worst in the world. Do you understand the implications there off? South Africa will end up with millions of unemployable people. Crime will skyrocket. The few learners who make it, will not want to reside in SA. They will emigrate and make the entire issue worse. How does the ANC explain this to the electorate? For every Afrikaans/English primary school there should be 3 or more schools teaching in local languages. You people are sitting on a ticking time bomb. #SoSad
 

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Mybroadband will forever be racist... The bile some of you spew in trying to defend this rubbish is the reason why our country is k@k. I just feel sorry for your kids if you have any, they will not survive in the world with your genes running through their veins
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// takes note of mybb racists.
 

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Could you kindly point out the bile some of the members spewed?
:ROFL: Won't be back to say they were wrong. They will be gone until the next white witch hunt makes headlines, where they will crawl out of the woodwork again to make their next appearance in typical broken record mode.

To the few who did admit they'd gone a bit far or had been led astray with this story, kudos to you. :thumbsup:
 

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Mybroadband will forever be racist... The bile some of you spew in trying to defend this rubbish is the reason why our country is k@k. I just feel sorry for your kids if you have any, they will not survive in the world with your genes running through their veins
"this rubbish" - you're right, what sick cnut defends a racist biatch that created a racial issue where none existed.
 

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Umm no... These are first language schools as in the subjects are taught in those languages... Or does that little fact not suit your stupid point? And what about the rest of Africa that doesn't use English... Are they teaching in English now?
There is, as far as I can ascertain, precisely one. Pholela High School in Bulwer. No primary schools.

For every Afrikaans/English primary school there should be 3 or more schools teaching in local languages. You people are sitting on a ticking time bomb. #SoSad
Please list these schools.

Zulu Medium Schools - 1 - Pholela High School.
Xhosa Medium Schools - None
Sotho - none

Despite whatever the constitution says here is the issue in a nutshell.

Many children in South African public schools are still not taught in their mother tongue. English is one of the most widely spoken languages in the world and a popular medium of instruction in local public schools.

“There are a few ironies of June 16. One irony is that young people saw Afrikaansas the language of the oppressor but they didn’t see English in that way and today even still parents choose English education for their children because they see it as a language of liberation and a language of the world,” said Doron Isaacs of Equal Education.

The Basic Education Department said the language issue is not that simple.

“There are two schools of thought, the first one says leaners do well if they have a grounding in terms of their mother tongue as a language of teaching from an early age and then later on adopting English. That gives them a good background for them to progress and do well in their literacy and their numeracy level,” said Elijah Mhlanga of the Department of Basic Education.

Mhlanga said the other school of thought says learners must take English right from when they start school so that they don’t struggle having to adopt it a later stage.
https://www.enca.com/language-debate-continues-sa-schools

implementing the Language of Learning and Teaching (LOLT) policy has been slow at the foundation phase due to setbacks and challenges. "These include parent perceptions that their children are given higher status if admitted to study at schools where the LOLT is English; limited resources and skilled teachers to teach mother tongue languages; poor attitudes among teachers who believe teaching in mother tongue languages would lead to institutional racism; school governing bodies (SGBs) taking unilateral decisions on English being the LOLT at schools and school principals encouraging parents to promote English as the language of learning and teaching to increase learner enrolment."
http://www.mediaclubsouthafrica.com/youth-and-education/43-culture/culturenews/3555-south-africa-s-mother-tongue-education-problem

Not the most reliable of sources but:

Since 2009, all schools teach English as a subject from grade 1 and all subjects are taught in English from grade 4. Afrikaans language schools are an exception, in that all subjects (other than other languages) are taught in Afrikaans
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_South_Africa
 
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quite interesting to the the outrage and warriors screaming racism from the rooftops, and yet the silence when boys get raped in school.

its a truly sick and depraved society we live in when pecieved racism draws more attention than physical rape
to be honest for me personally it is shock. what do you say? I'm shocked? Yes I'm shocked, sickened, appalled, feel desperately sorry for ALL the victims involved - which once again will not be a popular opinion. I really hope that all children involved get the intervention and help they need. Probably not, but let's hope.
 

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Open Google. Look up Zulu Medium Schools. ....
The KZN Education Department has set up a task team to look into the possibility of offering Zulu as a first language in more schools.

Department spokeswoman Mbali Thusi said the number of schools offering Zulu as a first language has increased from 1 295 in 1994 to 1 471 currently.
https://m.news24.com/Archives/Witness/Zulu-as-first-language-in-more-schools-20150430

Am sure there is more than one.
 

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There is, as far as I can ascertain, precisely one. Pholela High School in Bulwer. No primary schools.



Please list these schools.

Zulu Medium Schools - 1 - Pholela High School.
Xhosa Medium Schools - None
Sotho - none

Despite whatever the constitution says here is the issue in a nutshell.



https://www.enca.com/language-debate-continues-sa-schools



http://www.mediaclubsouthafrica.com/youth-and-education/43-culture/culturenews/3555-south-africa-s-mother-tongue-education-problem

Not the most reliable of sources but:



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_South_Africa
Please fix your post with the quotes. I never said anything about the number of schools
 
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And once again you are confusing the two issues. Learning Zulu as a first language is completely different from having ALL your classes, text books etc in Zulu.
So no response to the fact that in 10 seconds of googling I found a xhosa school.. And also the fact that rural schools are unlikely to have an online presence...
 

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To any civil person this is wrong but lets look at this from a learning experience.

This is what reverse BBEEE looks like from the otherside of the colour spectrum. Can we all see just how wrong BBEEE looks when applied inversed. Those Black students playing the role of white workers looking for jobs in the BBEEE system however even when they get a job they are slightly pushed aside awaiting to be replaced.

If you look for it then everyone could get a good idea why this happens even today considering this is happening widespread in the workplace.
 

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Open Google. Look up Zulu Medium Schools. ....
Why does this matter ? In fact, since when is Zulu the primary language in South Africa ?

All things equal South Africa should have only english first language schools at least that would prepare every kid to have basic english education. If they want to learn other languages or their home language at school they can take it as secondary.

Catering for all our language at a primary language will cause division in schools and isolation in school where you are forced to attend based on the decided primary language even if that is not your home language.

In short, keep home language out of school. Standardize and get use to learning english as a primary language in school. This will put every student on level playing field from grade R upwards.

The only kids who would have a slight advantage is native english speaking kids but considering the population of english speaking citizens(home language) is in the low 5% then it would suggest the other 95% (all the black languages, afrikaans, hindu, arabic, you name it) would all be on same learning platform from day 1, no one with an advantage over the other.
 
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