Parents fume as black and white grade R children are 'separated' in North West classroom

Milano

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Oh the outrage :laugh:

And yet you still have a government which 25 years after the end of apartheid still issues the vast majority of official forms with four boxes - B C I W.

Not only is this racist it is also an example of ignorance of the highest level.

Why must a Japanese person or Korean person in South Africa be forced label themselves as Indian because the government erroneously believes it is so, and that treating them with zero dignity is the right thing to do.

One would think that people who supposedly suffered such indignity under apartheid would prioritise such matters as opposed to renaming some arbitrary street once called Park Street to Jacob Zuma street to redress the past.

Imagine the outrage of a black person visiting a European country and being told by the government that all black people must tick the Indian box because they do not have a black box.

Hypocrites of the highest order.
 

noxibox

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Are you deliberately ignoring the points I made ?
No, they're just wrong.

If your home language is not english and you go to a school who uses the primary language that is your home language. You will not progress and when you reach real life you will be next to useless in english and then bitch and moan why you do not get the good jobs.
Obviously I didn't suggest not teaching English.

If your home language is so important for you then take it as second language but my point is that no school should be forced to use Xhosa,Zulu,Afrikaans,etc. as the primary language at the school.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with preserving ones language. It is about giving children the best chance of actually succeeding at school. You're suggesting crippling those children who don't speak English by undermining their early education.

The whole issue could be addressed by starting off with public schools focusing on english as primary language of the school from Grade 1.
That's an excellent idea if your goal is to give those whose home language is English an advantage while also disadvantaging every other child's entire school career.

If the funds come out of the tax payer coffer then any discrimination of fund usage for Afrikaans,Zulu,Xhosa,etc. primary language public schools is in effect picking winners and losers.
No winners and losers. All children should get education in their home language for at least the first 4 years of school. If funds are coming from the tax payer I wouldn't want them squandered on your policy of forcing all children to be taught in English. It's doomed to fail.

If SA want to really focus on optimizing studies from a young age for the real world then they need to do this.
If they want to optimise education they need to dedicate resources to ensure all children receive quality early education in their home language.

We simply cannot afford quality education in every official language as a primary language at schools.
South Africa cannot afford to continue with the misguided policy of not providing early education in home languages.

All of these issues could be addressed by starting english as a primary language young right at Grade 1.
English should be taught. It should not be the language of instruction.

I went to an all afrikaans school , spoke afrikaans at home, had little interaction with english speaking students until high school
You should have been forced to go to an English school, so you would have had the opportunity to be instructed in a language you didn't understand.

The opposite is true, the younger you are the easier it is for you to pick up languages.
The younger you are when you are taught in a language you don't understand the worse the overall educational outcome.
 

noxibox

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So what's more important? Smaller classroom sizes, teachers to teach content, or teaching in the children's mother tongue? Issue is we have so many official languages, who is going to pay for all these teachers?

You guys can argue what is better all day. There is just no practical way to implement what you suggest. Unless you are willing to pay for some teacher's salaries yourselves?
There is actually plenty of money put into education in South Africa. It is simply squandered. Used properly they could easily provide mother tongue early education, which is absolutely essential if South Africa wants better educational outcomes later in school. Otherwise they might as well not even bother educating some children who don't speak one of the available school languages.

Those things are all important and they're not mutually exclusive. You're wasting your time and money if you're trying to teach children in a language they either don't or barely understand.
 

noxibox

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Do some research into countries where english is the native language then look at the GDP,life expectancy,job security etc. vs any country in the world where english is not a first language.
So that's why France and Germany and Sweden and Japan and South Korea and Taiwan are advanced countries. English is their native language.
 

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There is actually plenty of money put into education in South Africa. It is simply squandered. Used properly they could easily provide mother tongue early education, which is absolutely essential if South Africa wants better educational outcomes later in school. Otherwise they might as well not even bother educating some children who don't speak one of the available school languages.

Those things are all important and they're not mutually exclusive. You're wasting your time and money if you're trying to teach children in a language they either don't or barely understand.
We actually (as a percentage of our budget) spend one the highest amounts on education in the world.
 

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so the principal and 'other' teacher remain out of this spotlight?

Just the innocent tannie that took a picture is front and centre.

Still waiting on Lesufi to issue his report?
 

Vrotappel

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so the principal and 'other' teacher remain out of this spotlight?

Just the innocent tannie that took a picture is front and centre.

Still waiting on Lesufi to issue his report?
You gonna wait a long time. The votes for this have already been gained.
 

Flanders

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I think we can borrow a term from the Smollett case here for this brand of manufactured outrage: another case of 'fake noose'.
 
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