Parents want compulsory maths, science scrapped at MP school

[Herr der Verboten]

Don't need maths or science to climb aboard the gravy train ....

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But you need basic iq and maths to realise the handout / voter salary. But that's the plan?

 

[TheChamp]

I mentioned this some time ago, but I will do so again. People should get rid of the stigma of being an artisan, e.g. plumber, electrician, motor mechanic, carpenter etc.

Where I work I know of a scientist with a PhD. When his son completed his matric, (with good enough marks to be able to enroll for any degree of his liking), he told his father that he isn't going to go to university, but he is going to enroll at a technical institution to be a qualified plumber. His dad wasn't very happy about this, but thought he would let him do this and her can still enroll at university when he sees that his idea isn't going to work out. Fast forward a couple of years, he is now making MUCH more money than his father does, he has his own successful plumbing business and is also contributing to the economy by providing employment.

We definitely need SKILLED artisans in various fields, without them everything will fall apart.

100%, I am really stumped that people still think like eg2505 in 2022.

 

[porchrat]

But you will not have basic algebra in grade 8 in a no math school as the parents are demanding.

You think the average plumber needs quadratic equations or sequences and series?

I imagine up to basic algebra is probably sufficient. As long as they can do things like calculate area and such they're probably fine. All of which should be covered up to grade 7.

Like I said, it's undeniable that even a plumber needs some sort of Maths ability. The level they need is debatable though.

 

[geezer]

sure, but what future do they have? I mean a Plumber in 10 years, will be,

a plumber????

I definitely would appreciate a plumber with 10 year's experience to help sort out my burst geyser first time, avoiding flooding my house and causing additional damage due to an inexperience fly-by-night plumber doing the work.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

You think the average plumber needs quadratic equations or sequences and series?

No, but a plumber who can calculate flow rate would be worth gold. He'd be able to install the correct parts off the bat, without doing it by trial and error (and therefore possible return visits) that most do. The same applies to electricians using basic high school physics.

Also quadratic equations in itself are useless. But knowing how to use them is incredibly useful in solving for unknowns...

 

[Lupus]

nothing wrong with Plumbers,
problem is thats all youll ever be, in 10 years time, whats the career advancement?

In 10 years time they will be charging a lot more than they were 10 years before, so they may still be plumbers, but they'll still probably be on the same track a person starting a white collar job is, also how many people go from the lowest rank in an office to the highest in 10 years?

 

[Lupus]

I mentioned this some time ago, but I will do so again. People should get rid of the stigma of being an artisan, e.g. plumber, electrician, motor mechanic, carpenter etc.

Where I work I know of a scientist with a PhD. When his son completed his matric, (with good enough marks to be able to enroll for any degree of his liking), he told his father that he isn't going to go to university, but he is going to enroll at a technical institution to be a qualified plumber. His dad wasn't very happy about this, but thought he would let him do this and her can still enroll at university when he sees that his idea isn't going to work out. Fast forward a couple of years, he is now making MUCH more money than his father does, he has his own successful plumbing business and is also contributing to the economy by providing employment.

We definitely need SKILLED artisans in various fields, without them everything will fall apart.

This, we need those fields and parents having stigmas against them is silly. I mean a plumber can probably earn a pretty penny, call one in see how much they charge you.

 

[Lupus]

No, but a plumber who can calculate flow rate would be worth gold. He'd be able to install the correct parts off the bat, without doing it by trial and error (and therefore possible return visits) that most do. The same applies to electricians using basic high school physics.

Also quadratic equations in itself are useless. But knowing how to use them is incredibly useful in solving for unknowns...

Strangely enough experience would teach them flow rate and stuff.

 

[Neptuner]

I mentioned this some time ago, but I will do so again. People should get rid of the stigma of being an artisan, e.g. plumber, electrician, motor mechanic, carpenter etc.

Where I work I know of a scientist with a PhD. When his son completed his matric, (with good enough marks to be able to enroll for any degree of his liking), he told his father that he isn't going to go to university, but he is going to enroll at a technical institution to be a qualified plumber. His dad wasn't very happy about this, but thought he would let him do this and her can still enroll at university when he sees that his idea isn't going to work out. Fast forward a couple of years, he is now making MUCH more money than his father does, he has his own successful plumbing business and is also contributing to the economy by providing employment.

We definitely need SKILLED artisans in various fields, without them everything will fall apart.

There are several of these success stories in the Fitting & Turning trade where they now run successful manufacturing firms. I've worked for such individuals. It's not that they of any lesser caliber than a graduate, its an informed choice and they find the career path more rewarding. They have an intense sense of self-worth and the bottom line is selling a service/product. They view exhausting ones time academically with no reward but a paper as mundane.

 

[konfab]

No, but a plumber who can calculate flow rate would be worth gold. He'd be able to install the correct parts off the bat, without doing it by trial and error (and therefore possible return visits) that most do. The same applies to electricians using basic high school physics.

Plumbers don't need to (and shouldn't) do that, they look at reference and look up tables that other people have calculated for different pipes. The real value comes from the fact that in a field where the standards of entry are not very high. Finding an intelligent person who is capable of problem solving doing the work is worth its weight in gold.

It is why I drive 16km and pay tiny premium to go to my car mechanic rather than using Frikkie's auto shop around the corner.

 

[HunterNW]

sure, but what future do they have? I mean a Plumber in 10 years, will be,

a plumber????

I'm an Artisan. Qualified in 1995. Still put food on the table, plenty of whisky. Go hunting, on holidays, have my own house and a flat at he coast. You think i'm stupid ? You look down on a person working with their hands ?
These hands can PK you back into your mothers vjayjay.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I'm an Artisan. Qualified in 1995. Still put food on the table, plenty of whisky. Go hunting, on holidays, have my own house and a flat at he coast. You think i'm stupid ? You look down on a person working with their hands ?
These hands can PK you back into your mothers vjayjay.

You own 2 properties?

Yeah, trust me he "looks" down on you, from his fscked out old Picanto ..

 

[G'Wobblez]

nothing wrong with Plumbers,
problem is thats all youll ever be, in 10 years time, whats the career advancement?

A doctor will just be a doctor in 10 years.
An engineer an engineer.

But they all could be business owners.
Have more than one branch
Have employees.

What is the career advancement? What you made of it?

 

[AfricanTech]

Maths FFS...

Math

 

[ponder]

nothing wrong with Plumbers,
problem is thats all youll ever be, in 10 years time, whats the career advancement?

My mate is a plumber, a very well off plumber, I don't think he's worried about a higher job title.

 

[ToxicBunny]

My mate is a plumber, a very well off plumber, I don't think he's worried about a higher job title.

Same, have a mate that is a plumber and he is very comfortably well off.. recently actually palmed off his business to "retire" early to his place in Cotswold Downs

 

[Nicodeamus]

sure, but what future do they have? I mean a Plumber in 10 years, will be,

a plumber????

Notice how the guy who opened septic tanks for a living became a millionaire?

 

[G'Wobblez]

Math

pfft
Wiskunde

 

[dlk001]

Can a public school decide to

sure, but what future do they have? I mean a Plumber in 10 years, will be,

a plumber????

But what's wrong with being a Plumber with 10 years of experience?

 

[konfab]

sure, but what future do they have? I mean a Plumber in 10 years, will be,

a plumber????

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