Parents want compulsory maths, science scrapped at MP school

[Neptuner]

I'm a Plumber. Qualified in 1995. Still put food on the table, plenty of whisky. Go hunting, on holidays, have my own house and a flat at he coast. You think i'm stupid ? You look down on a person working with their hands ?
These hands can PK you back into your mothers vjayjay.

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[Howdy]

They are correct unfortunately. There is no point for the kids to do maths and science as they absolutely can't do it and there are no teachers who can teach and guide them. They end up repeating the years or eventually just give up. There is no one to assist them and they don't have extra classes that is helpful. They don't have the money for extra resources and they don't have a parent or aunt/uncle who can help them. This is also the result of a broken educational system.... together with all the other wonderful things the Clown Party has gifted to this country.

Scrap these subjects or make it optional and teach them practical skills. Plumbing, building, welding, carpentry, baking, coffee Barista

Although any equipment needed will get stolen or vandalised.

Okay, this area is 16 square meters. The bricks are 110mm wide and 220mm long. The outside width is ...

Scrap these subjects or make it optional and teach them practical skills. Plumbing, building, welding, carpentry, baking, coffee Barista

The plate thickness is 2.5mm, we need an a flow rate of 12m3/s, bend it and weld me a pipe ...

Scrap these subjects or make it optional and teach them practical skills. Plumbing, welding, carpentry, baking, coffee Barista

Okay, the roof pitch is 28deg with a span of 8m, 0.75m apart, make me trusses ...

Scrap these subjects or make it optional and teach them practical skills. Plumbing, carpentry, baking, coffee Barista

The pressure is 300kPa, the max head height of the vacuum breaker is to be 300mm per ...

Scrap these subjects or make it optional and teach them practical skills. Plumbing baking, coffee Barista

Add 5g salt per ...

Scrap these subjects or make it optional and teach them practical skills. , baking, coffee Barista

For a Mocha, add 100g cocoa per ...

Scrap these subjects or make it optional and teach them practical skills. Teach them how to queue orderly for their SASSA grants.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Strangely enough experience would teach them flow rate and stuff.

Eventually. But never completely. Knowing it scientifically enables them to avoid pitfalls and those irritating knocks as well as unbalanced systems when using modern one lever taps.

 

[Howdy]

I mentioned this some time ago, but I will do so again. People should get rid of the stigma of being an artisan, e.g. plumber, electrician, motor mechanic, carpenter etc.

Where I work I know of a scientist with a PhD. When his son completed his matric, (with good enough marks to be able to enroll for any degree of his liking), he told his father that he isn't going to go to university, but he is going to enroll at a technical institution to be a qualified plumber. His dad wasn't very happy about this, but thought he would let him do this and her can still enroll at university when he sees that his idea isn't going to work out. Fast forward a couple of years, he is now making MUCH more money than his father does, he has his own successful plumbing business and is also contributing to the economy by providing employment.

We definitely need SKILLED artisans in various fields, without them everything will fall apart.

I agree totally with you. A skilled artisan is something to behold. You can spend many rands many times over on a cheapie, or a bit on a skilled one once. A massive problem we have in ZA is everybody that failed at something else thinks tehy are suddenly an artisan in X, having seen X done once. It brings that sector into disrepute.

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I definitely would appreciate a plumber with 10 year's experience to help sort out my burst geyser first time, avoiding flooding my house and causing additional damage due to an inexperience fly-by-night plumber doing the work.

Snap!

 

[Cosmik Debris]

There are several of these success stories in the Fitting & Turning trade where they now run successful manufacturing firms. I've worked for such individuals. It's not that they of any lesser caliber than a graduate, its an informed choice and they find the career path more rewarding. They have an intense sense of self-worth and the bottom line is selling a service/product. They view exhausting ones time academically with no reward but a paper as mundane.

The fitter and turner needs some good math skills. Turning out a gear wheel requires plenty calculations.

 

[porchrat]

Flow, pressure? Boyles law? Expansion of materials? Galvanic corrosion? The quadratic equation maybe not but stress calculations are definite for weight of geysers in a roof. Or do you hope for the best?

It's nothing you can't learn through apprenticeships and practical experience. It's not like they do this work in a vacuum. I doubt the average plumber needs to understand the science behind every aspect of their job in order to do great work.

 

[Neptuner]

The fitter and turner needs some good math skills. Turning out a gear wheel requires plenty calculations.

Yes they do, I did F&T on HS. The Algebra and Trig is simple, the machining of gears was always a headache for me.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

It's nothing you can't learn through apprenticeships and practical experience. It's not like they do this work in a vacuum. I doubt the average plumber needs to understand the science behind every aspect of their job in order to do great work.

For replacing a tap washer or clearing a basin U trap, no. But notice the chips in the chrome on your tap afterwards and the trap now leaks? The trade training teaches you work quality too.

I can guarantee you want a skilled and qualified plumber on any new build. Otherwise there will be leaks in walls, flow problems and clunking when turning off a tap. And you only find this out when the fly by night has flown.

 

[Howdy]

It is why I drive 16km and pay tiny premium to go to my car mechanic rather than using the agent around the corner, who sends their problems to a gut 16km away.

OT, FTFY on a bright spark: A guy I met do magic from his back yard, after the agents threw their hands into the air and many ZARs later, another agent putting me onto his trail. You have to book ~ 2 months in advance, competing with agents. Since then he's helped me a few times, I referred friends to him, everybody is happy.

Last incident with a friend: Out of answers, GM wanted to replace an ECU. Solution? Reconnect a wire a mouse had chewed through, a bit of insulation tape and he chased my friend away, ready to pay.

Herman, Centurion's secret weapon against auto-gremlins, big or small.

 

[Howdy]

I think it needs to be part of LO rather than replace it entirely...

LO needs to cover a variety of topics about how reality works.

LO?

Liggaams Oefeninge? Preparation for digging trenches, swinging the axe to chop firewood? ...

Oh, gotcha. Nvm.

 

[Major Boredom]

I could never understand why people look down on trades.

1) They can actually emmigrate easier than someone with a degree.
2) They generaly do not have to study as long or rack up as much debt as someone who gets a degree. So they get into the market quicker.
3) Trades can generally work for themselves where ( generally ) degreed people work for bosses.

And the most important
You can make as much or even more money than someone with a degree.

Not everyone wants to be a manager ....

 

[Howdy]

A little off topic but this oke thinks the unemployment rate is over stated and, crap education system notwithstanding, things are looking up in the kasi.

GG Alcock - On 'Kasipolitans'; a landgrab in booming township economy

GG Alcock explains how South African retailers are waking up and have launched a land grab into communities inhabited by 'Kasipolitans.'

www.biznews.com

He should know? I rate him highly; wot says the MBB.

A lot in the article speaks to robbing Peter to pay Paul, value add, a lot of survival strategies and the rest profit margins. Not the things that grows the country's economy.

It's great for the individual, but says little for the real economy that should be into things like manufacturing, taking raw materials and adding value suitable for export, things affecting our GDP.

 

[Howdy]

Jy's 'n Loodgieter van Rustenburg?

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@HunterNW didn't say he's a proctologist. Taking chances here, are you?

 

[HunterNW]

Jy's 'n Loodgieter van Rustenburg?

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Eintlik 'n Pas en masjineerder. Maar hulle sê fitting is like fcking, any crunt can do it.

Yes they do, I did F&T on HS. The Algebra and Trig is simple, the machining of gears was always a headache for me.

Learned those things in Mechano N5

 

[Senor]

If I were part of a multiskilled group, stranded on an isolated island, I would vote the software guys be the first ones to be eaten.

 

[Kosmik]

You won't believe the problems that the term "Master" created for the SA Navy upon integration of MK and APLA (I didn't know MK and APLA had a navy either).

The Regimental Sergeant Major of a naval unit is called the Master At Arms on land and Coxswain on vessels. The form of address is Master. MK and APLA saw the term "Master" as derogatory and refused to call the top unit disciplinarian master. It apparently took a lot of explanation of the English language before the term was grudgingly accepted.

Same as the Rhodesian navy, they were all semen at some point.

You own 2 properties?

Yeah, trust me he "looks" down on you, from his fscked out old Picanto ..

Thats the second time I've seen the chirp about the dude and his Picanto, history here?

Side note and yes I know this is school we are talking about but if folks genuinely believe that calculators are the be all and end all have never done a open book engineering test. Trust me, that's one way to get your *** handed yo you , chop chop.

 

[rh1]

Some people just don't have the aptitude for Maths and Science. It's sad but true.

If the kids are hopeless at these subjects there's no point in pushing it on them. As has been suggested just replace those subjects with something more hands-on. The world needs blue collar workers just as it needs white collar workers.

Parents just mustn't expect a white collar future without Maths.

In USA, watching the construction/home builders youtube channels, they all use maths on a regular basis, to determine the angle of cuts, lengths etc. Not complicated but does need a bit of thinking.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Thats the second time I've seen the chirp about the dude and his Picanto, history here?

I vaguely remember him buying a Picanto at auction and finding out it had been souped up by some backyard oke and it was a stinking pile of shyte at the end of the day...

 

[Kosmik]

I vaguely remember him buying a Picanto at auction and finding out it had been souped up by some backyard oke and it was a stinking pile of shyte at the end of the day...

well..... it was a picanto....

 

[konfab]

In USA, watching the construction/home builders youtube channels, they all use maths on a regular basis, to determine the angle of cuts, lengths etc. Not complicated but does need a bit of thinking.

If you want to join two pieces of wood nicely at non-right angles, you actually need to have a good understanding of geometry.