Parents want compulsory maths, science scrapped at MP school

[Cosmik Debris]

have never done a open book engineering test. Trust me, that's one way to get your *** handed yo you , chop chop.

Done a few of those. And if you have never read the book or worked from it, there is no way you will pass.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

It's on TV, that's how making content works, you don't just get on with it, you must spend 5 minutes studying the plans that you already understand, then call the assistant who also already understands the plans to discuss them even more, that's at least 20 minutes of the show.

The labour comes in and starts solving problems that do not exist and use their fancy tools and talk about angles for another 15 minutes, that's how good TV shows are made.

You watch people building on TV? Local content?

 

[Kosmik]

Done a few of those. And if you have never read the book or worked from it, there is no way you will pass.

It was a great example of having to actually know and understand the material to apply it. Real world didn't care about book knowledge or parroting, you need to accurately apply and adapt the knowledge.

 

[ponder]

Side note and yes I know this is school we are talking about but if folks genuinely believe that calculators are the be all and end all have never done a open book engineering test. Trust me, that's one way to get your *** handed yo you , chop chop.

Had one for a final exam, worst exam ever, just scraped through.

 

[noxibox]

They can pick from one of the other many non math subjects. To be fair, the parents must just send their kids to schools who don't have those subjects as compulsory.

Yes, I'm sure there are numerous options available. Everyone should send their children to the region if they have so many empty schools just waiting for pupils.

 

[Okty]

Maybe the method of teaching math and science should be changed to make it more relevant, in stead of scrapping it, like this:

 

[noxibox]

Side note and yes I know this is school we are talking about but if folks genuinely believe that calculators are the be all and end all have never done a open book engineering test. Trust me, that's one way to get your *** handed yo you , chop chop.

I always liked those. For me they were the easiest exams to do.

In USA, watching the construction/home builders youtube channels, they all use maths on a regular basis, to determine the angle of cuts, lengths etc. Not complicated but does need a bit of thinking.

All the ones I've seen learn numerous tricks of the trade to avoid doing any calculations because they waste time and hence cost money. Anyway the bulk of the calculations they have to do is primary school level stuff. They're unlikely to be needing to solve quadratic equations, simultaneous equations or do calculus.

 

[Kosmik]

I always liked those. For me they were the easiest exams to do.


All the ones I've seen learn numerous tricks of the trade to avoid doing any calculations because they waste time and hence cost money. Anyway the bulk of the calculations they have to do is primary school level stuff. They're unlikely to be needing to solve quadratic equations, simultaneous equations or do calculus.

If it was easy then your lecturer was doing it wrong, those were intentionally made for high stress and failure with impossible completion times to test your prioritization and problem determination skills as well.

 

[konfab]

Side note and yes I know this is school we are talking about but if folks genuinely believe that calculators are the be all and end all have never done a open book engineering test. Trust me, that's one way to get your *** handed yo you , chop chop.

Because those are the type of questions where calculators help buggerall. Hence why it is permissible to have them.

But in a math paper, lets say when you are testing the student's ability to do a definite integral, them having a calculator that can do numerical integration can allow a student to check their work with the calculator rather than checking it by making sure they are doing logical steps.

This is the calculator that is allowed in Matric math:

As a supremely lazy efficient person, I figured out how to use the numerical solver very quickly. During a standardised test in Matric, there was some stupid finance question where you had to calculate the interest rate or something like that. I used the wrong equation and ended up with some monster that was mathematically correct but was impossible to solve algebraically. So I wrote down that equation, and wrote "solve for i", and then plugged the thing into the numerical solver on my calculator, which spat out the correct answer.

For Matric level math, having a calculator that can do numerical solutions is absolutely broken, as a lot of the questions they give you can be completely verified with the calculator.

Looking at paper 1 of math 2021:

Less of this:


And more of this:



In uni, I always found the open book exams more enjoyable as I didn't have to bog myself down with memorising stupid things that you can just look up. Like with project management they wanted students to give the 10 principles of business ethics in a 4th year exam. This is compared to the actual engineering subjects where the lecturer printed out the lecture slides for everyone and expected you to bring them into the exam.
I still have those slides as a reference and very much know where to look something up if I need it, but I can guarantee you I cannot recite the 10 principles of business ethics.

 

[Kosmik]

Because those are the type of questions where calculators help buggerall. Hence why it is permissible to have them.

But in a math paper, lets say when you are testing the student's ability to do a definite integral, them having a calculator that can do numerical integration can allow a student to check their work with the calculator rather than checking it by making sure they are doing logical steps.

This is the calculator that is allowed in Matric math:

As a supremely lazy efficient person, I figured out how to use the numerical solver very quickly. During a standardised test in Matric, there was some stupid finance question where you had to calculate the interest rate or something like that. I used the wrong equation and ended up with some monster that was mathematically correct but was impossible to solve algebraically. So I wrote down that equation, and wrote "solve for i", and then plugged the thing into the numerical solver on my calculator, which spat out the correct answer.

For Matric level math, having a calculator that can do numerical solutions is absolutely broken, as a lot of the questions they give you can be completely verified with the calculator.

Looking at paper 1 of math 2021:

Less of this:
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And more of this:
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Ok my matric calculator was just your basic scientific, not the programmable models. Are the programmable allowed?

Even in engineering maths we weren't allowed or rather were forced to show the steps in Mathematics. The other subjects they allowed it but that was because there was far more workings around a problem than just the mathematical equation.

Damn, it's been over 20years even from tertiary days

 

[konfab]

Ok my matric calculator was just your basic scientific, not the programmable models. Are the programmable allowed?

The calculator I showed you is what was allowed in school and universities. It isn't programmable.

Even in engineering maths we weren't allowed or rather were forced to show the steps in Mathematics. The other subjects they allowed it but that was because there was far more workings around a problem than just the mathematical equation.

Engineering maths had no calculators for us. Which means you have to show your working. That being said, I think allowing non-scientific calculators would actually work quite well as it is fair to assume that people in an engineering course can do basic arithmetic.

Damn, it's been over 20years even from tertiary days

Boomer

 

[Kosmik]

Boomer

Lol, sadly no, boomers were before me but even genx is old now