Parliament approves motion on expropriation without compensation

Oldfut

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I wonder if the wit ous in Zim saw it coming.
Some did, some didn't duh. Most didn't believe that absolute violence and corruption it (seizing farms EWC style) generated would happen. The loyal ones who loved Zim got badly burnt in the main; some still doing ok. Those that were cynical stashed assets outside of Zim and borrowed as much as they could in Zim. They are still laughing.
 

Swa

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There are no difference between what happened in Zimbabwe and what is currently happening in SA. Zimbabwe also approached the UK back then asking for their support in redistributing land.

I remember back then, the UK promised them support, but the UK back then also said it had to be done legally. Back then the UK also said compensation was needed. Zimbabwe ignored it and when the landgrabs began, the UK was the first country to impose sanctions, which eventually killed off Zimbabwe.

Today South Africa is trying to help Zimbabwe to get rid of the sanctions. This will never happen.

But, also, same applies to South Africa. The moment they change the constitution and take land, we will end up the same as Zimbabwe. The sanctions will kill South Africa off too. It will become a horrible place.

The world has no problem with expropriation, but it has to be done legally. Ownership rights needs to be guaranteed according to a number of international treaties. Compensation is what makes expropriation legal. The ANC is missing this point and heading downhill.
Well they're trying to make it legal by changing the law and the constitution. The civilised western world's criteria however is based on a set of fair standards. That's the point they keep missing.
 

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Well they're trying to make it legal by changing the law and the constitution. The civilised western world's criteria however is based on a set of fair standards. That's the point they keep missing.

Precisely my point. They will not get past the various international treaties, unless the whole wolrd scraps ownerhip rights. Just like Zim, SA will step into the same trap
 

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And he got a Knighthood after it, debating with NPC's is exhausting.

What is your point??
That Britain was too politically correct to hold Mugabe accountable for his actions was idiotic.

I believe they took his knighthood away anyway so you have no point.

Amazing that people like you stand up for murderers and those who commit democide.

Nevermind the millions of slaughtered people, communism is great!!
 

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MP’s given more time over land expropriation bill as ANC revises its position

Cape Town - THE ad hoc committee on expropriation without compensation decided on Friday to allow the ANC to circulate its revised position on the amendment of the constitution.

The committee also asked other parties to also submit their revised positions by not later than Tuesday.

Committee chairperson Mathole Motshekga said they would assess what the differences and meeting points were at their next meeting.

“Between today and the next meeting, parties would have exchanged their revised documents. Political parties must go back and finalise their positions and circulate them so that we move forward together at the next meeting,” he added.

During the meeting the ANC made a presentation on its revised position.

ANC MP Cyril Xaba said they believed negotiations were a process of give and take.

“In that way you accept that you may walk away with a different position than when you first entered the discussion,” Xaba said.

He also stated that they were dealing with a constitutional amendment that required the support of two thirds majority in the National Assembly and six provinces in the National Council of Provinces.

“No single party on its own can muster the two thirds and therefore we need parties to find each other for the good of the country.”

In its presentation, the ANC retains the courts involvement as final arbiter, and the state can be custodian of land under certain circumstances.

It also proposed that there should be national legislation that sets out the circumstances for nil compensation in furtherance of land reform.

However, EFF deputy leader Floyd Shuvambu said they fundamentally disagreed with the ANC's revised position.

“Anything that says subject to compensation, we are not to agree to that. Anything that says custodian for certain land is problematic,” Shivambu said.

He told the meeting that the EFF was now engaging the ANC top six officials over the constitutional amendment as those entrusted with bilateral meetings were not decision-makers.

“I can assure chair that post-Wednesday next week we will know whether we are coming or going in terms of the process. If we disagree it's Okay and then we will see how else do we then deal with the land question.”


More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics...position-72306de8-a7cd-4279-8216-17b25e902fbb
 
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Land restitution could date back to January 1800 if latest amendment on expropriation of land is passed as is

THE draft bill proposing the amendment of the Constitution to allow for land expropriation without compensation, is providing for people dispossessed of property after January 1800 to be entitled to restitution.

This bill was drafted by the parliamentary legal services based on the written submissions made to the committee mandated to amend the constitution.

The new clause became public as the National Assembly adopted a motion approving a two-week extension for the term of the committee that is expiring on Monday.

The National Assembly Programme Committee had, in the morning, dismissed a request to extend the term until November amid strong views that there was not much work left to be done.

The clause, which scraps the current 1913 cut-off date in the Constitution for land restitution, is likely to require further public participation beyond the lifespan of the committee.

More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics...ed-as-is-0bb229e6-e897-4f82-b064-58df7bd75109
 
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