Rkootknir

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“After all, since all Magistrates just so happen to have their pensions tied up in the Public Investment Corporation’s (PIC’s) investment in e-tolling, there isn’t a single Magistrate in South Africa who will be able to hear an e-tolls prosecution without bias,” said Dembovsky.
Really Dembovsky :wtf: That argument is as idiotic as Sanral's threat of jail time for unpaid debts.
 

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How can I pay if I have not even received an account/invoice/notice?

Been waiting for three months and still nothing. All my details on Enatis is correct. So it seems like I will have to go to court and ask the magistrate if he can perhaps give me my account after which I will gladly pay.
 

Rkootknir

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actually, he has a legal point that will stand.
The PIC owns around 15% of every single company listed on the JSE. e.g. just their investment in Sasol is worth around R43 billion. Have you ever heard of a local judge abstaining from a case brought against a JSE listed company just because the GEPF (for who the PIC invests) owns some of that company's shares?
 

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“Instead of managing to scare more people into compliance, they may simply strengthen the resolve of e-toll dissidents to resist,” he said.

Agree with this. Now that SANRAL has revealed that about 90% of e-trolls aren't getting paid, they've basically admitted to talking **** about their claims that most people have bought their tags and that, as everyone except SANRAL seems to know, the public is not interested in this cash-harvesting scheme.
 

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You'd think this ***** government would get the hint by now?
You know, it basically feels to me right now like we're back in 1985 with apartheid, this and the criminal record for traffic fine thing.
 

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The PIC owns around 15% of every single company listed on the JSE. e.g. just their investment in Sasol is worth around R43 billion. Have you ever heard of a local judge abstaining from a case brought against a JSE listed company just because the GEPF (for who the PIC invests) owns some of that company's shares?

No.

But how many cases against JSE companies were criminal cases? And how many executives of those companies were jailed? His argument may be light, but when it becomes a criminal case regarding an individual, this can be used as a defense argument. If it will work is a different story all together.
 
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Eyewitness News (EWN) recently reported that Sanral has “given motorists who haven’t paid their bills another 30 days to settle their accounts or face jail time”.

rpm did you go to the second link in that EWN? It mentions criminal charges, not jail time. To quote:

She says failure to make payments within that period could result in a criminal record.
 

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I can't think of a criminal act that doesn't carry a jail sentence, Fudzy... :confused:
 

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Sanral, the public call your bluff and will raise you...no wait..ALL IN!
 

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I heard it's a fine, jail time or both depending on the judge's decision and the guilty party's ability to pay the fine?
 

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It's been pointed out many times by Justice Project South Africa that failure to pay ETolls is not in fact a criminal offence.
 
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