Paying 10-times more for diesel than what renewable power costs - Eskom

Dennis Dykes needs to decolonize his mind, if the diesel costs 10 times more than renewables them it is obviously going to provide electricity that is 10 times better and what happens at night when there is no sun? /s
 
I reckon someone is making billions out of all this diesel usage and generation. Mark my words, the next big "state capture" scandal will be about how cadres engineered the outages at the coal fired stations in order to benefit from diesel sales somehow.
 
Sarg3_ZN said:
Dennis Dykes needs to decolonize his mind, if the diesel costs 10 times more than renewables them it is obviously going to provide electricity that is 10 times better and what happens at night when there is no sun? /s
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Hahahaha, LMAO, ROFL.
"Better Electricity "! What an utter rubbish.
The whole article is terrible clickbait, misleading. Diesel fueled power is more like R 3-R4/kWh. And the average price of renewables is probably a bit higher than 40 cts/kWh, although not above R 2 as many in the coal lobby would like to believe us.
In BW round 3 (2016/17) of renewables REIPPs came in at 70 cts for wind, 90 to96 for PV solar and CSP+TS R 1.69/kWh.
On the international markets price averages have tumbled enormously. PV is now around 45 cts, not sure about wind, CSP+TS 70 to120 cts, and PV with battery storage is now coming online at 50 to 60 cts/kWh in the US.
 
Marcan said:
Hahahaha, LMAO, ROFL.
"Better Electricity "! What an utter rubbish.
The whole article is terrible clickbait, misleading. Diesel fueled power is more like R 3-R4/kWh. And the average price of renewables is probably a bit higher than 40 cts/kWh, although not above R 2 as many in the coal lobby would like to believe us.
In BW round 3 (2016/17) of renewables REIPPs came in at 70 cts for wind, 90 to96 for PV solar and CSP+TS R 1.69/kWh.
On the international markets price averages have tumbled enormously. PV is now around 45 cts, not sure about wind, CSP+TS 70 to120 cts, and PV with battery storage is now coming online at 50 to 60 cts/kWh in the US.
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not to mention that the amount of diesel they are using must surely be pushing up the per litre price, so expect that R3-R4/kWh to go up, while renewables are dropping like a stone.
 
Sarg3_ZN said:
Dennis Dykes needs to decolonize his mind, if the diesel costs 10 times more than renewables them it is obviously going to provide electricity that is 10 times better and what happens at night when there is no sun? /s
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Marcan said:
Hahahaha, LMAO, ROFL.
"Better Electricity "! What an utter rubbish.
The whole article is terrible clickbait, misleading. Diesel fueled power is more like R 3-R4/kWh. And the average price of renewables is probably a bit higher than 40 cts/kWh, although not above R 2 as many in the coal lobby would like to believe us.
In BW round 3 (2016/17) of renewables REIPPs came in at 70 cts for wind, 90 to96 for PV solar and CSP+TS R 1.69/kWh.
On the international markets price averages have tumbled enormously. PV is now around 45 cts, not sure about wind, CSP+TS 70 to120 cts, and PV with battery storage is now coming online at 50 to 60 cts/kWh in the US.
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I'm very sure that @Sarg3_ZN was being extremely sarcastic...

Nice info on costs, that you have provided BTW.
 
What you can't vouch for with the current deal with Eskom, that the price to THEM is not what is quoted. That is the question. Is Eskom getting their diesel at a market-related rate of at a rate determined by an overpriced contract?
 
Marcan said:
Hahahaha, LMAO, ROFL.
"Better Electricity "! What an utter rubbish.
The whole article is terrible clickbait, misleading. Diesel fueled power is more like R 3-R4/kWh. And the average price of renewables is probably a bit higher than 40 cts/kWh, although not above R 2 as many in the coal lobby would like to believe us.
In BW round 3 (2016/17) of renewables REIPPs came in at 70 cts for wind, 90 to96 for PV solar and CSP+TS R 1.69/kWh.
On the international markets price averages have tumbled enormously. PV is now around 45 cts, not sure about wind, CSP+TS 70 to120 cts, and PV with battery storage is now coming online at 50 to 60 cts/kWh in the US.
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MightyQuin said:
I'm very sure that @Sarg3_ZN was being extremely sarcastic...

Nice info on costs, that you have provided BTW.
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Guilty as charged.

Indeed that cost info is awesome, and if Eskom get their way and are awarded higher tariff increases over the next two years then those will costs will look infinetly better than what Eskom are being fleeced for and are fleecing us for
 
Geoff.D said:
What you can't vouch for with the current deal with Eskom, that the price to THEM is not what is quoted. That is the question. Is Eskom getting their diesel at a market-related rate of at a rate determined by an overpriced contract?
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most probably. like municipalities buying a R5 light bulb for R25k.
 
Geoff.D said:
What you can't vouch for with the current deal with Eskom, that the price to THEM is not what is quoted. That is the question. Is Eskom getting their diesel at a market-related rate of at a rate determined by an overpriced contract?
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Revelations have emerged on how the company appointed a dentist and a beautician to supply diesel for its generators.

According to the Sunday Times, the dentist, Dr Maxine Kekana, and beauty therapist, Monica Nkosi, were among the suppliers given the task to deliver R200m worth of fuel to Eskom.

Kekana’s company Kekoil and Nkosi’s firm Kamoso are two suppliers Eskom uses from time to time despite having contracts with major oil suppliers, including PetroSA.

Kekana confirmed that she supplied diesel to Eskom and that she was a dentist by profession but insisted she was not the only supplier delivering diesel on the basis of a procurement order. In a letter to the newspaper however she threatened legal action in the event of the newspaper mentioning her name or the name of her company.

Nkosi, the beauty therapist, also confirmed she had supplied Eskom with diesel but said “we don’t have like a formal contract”.

The above are just SOME of the shenanigans reported on 4 years ago already. Info has been scarce since then.
 
The thing is neither PV solar nor wind can be dispatched. In other words it is not possible to to order a specific power at a specific time during the day from solar or wind. You get what you get. If it’s sunny you get solar power the output of which depends on cloud cover and the time of day. If it’s windy you get wind power. If it isn’t you won’t.

With diesel generators you can deliver the exact power you need at the exact time you need it just like with your car. Whether it’s raining or not it doesn’t matter.

This means that comparing diesel generators to renewable energy makes no sense from an energy delivery point of view.

For a cool and click-bait headline and article you can most definitely compare them.
 
What is worse about this is the knock-on effect it has when alternative energy projects are evaluated. Suppliers of solar and wind equipment try and maximise their profits and theyu se the going costs of electricity production by Eskom as one of their references. That means the corruption inside Eskom messes up the base cost there as well.
 
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