'People are going to die' - Doctors forced to choose who to save as Covid-19 third wave batters Gauteng

buka001

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I don't get anything from facebook.... dunno why you would assume I do. I do have a habit though of watching hours of sometimes contradictory interviews with actual experts where people are actually trying to figure this out rather than just believe what they are told to believe. I don't hold one dogmatic view on this matter other than the reactions to it are highly suspicious especially combined with the great reset obsession.

If it breaks down in 2 or three days why are there incidents of inflamed arms or chronic lightheadedness, etc for months on end for example? Why are bodies autopsied and spike proteins found in every organ of the body?


Given the blind faith I witness here every day I would actually say I have a lot less of it than many.

Put up now, or stop spouting BS.

Where are the studies that the vaccine has been altered to last 3 years.

Where are the autopsy reports where spike proteins from the vaccine have been found in every organ of the body?

Did you not claim just the other day that the vaccine only stays in the muscles of the shoulder?
 

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Put up now, or stop spouting BS.

Where are the studies that the vaccine has been altered to last 3 years.

Where are the autopsy reports where spike proteins from the vaccine have been found in every organ of the body?
I have never in my life been bored enough to want to study technical documents.... I leave that for others.... they bore me to tears.

You have your experts and I have mine.

Did you not claim just the other day that the vaccine only stays in the muscles of the shoulder?
That is where it is supposed to stay, it's not supposed to spread.

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I assume you have a deathly allergy for all things Jerm so I won't bother posting any of his interviews so perhaps you can watch this? I only to date have gotten round to the first 20min so cannot speak for the whole thing.

 

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I have never in my life been bored enough to want to study technical documents.... I leave that for others.... they bore me to tears.

You have your experts and I have mine.


That is where it is supposed to stay, it's not supposed to spread.

EDIT:
I assume you have a deathly allergy for all things Jerm so I won't bother posting any of his interviews so perhaps you can watch this? I only to date have gotten round to the first 20min so cannot speak for the whole thing.

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You really ought to make up your mind on whether to ignore or insult me....

EDIT: you literally claim to have passive immunity and now you say you don't..... at least make up your mind what you are fighting with me about.
You ignored me, not vice versa. My words aren't meant to insult, we had this discussion.

I never claimed to have passive immunity. Are you that thick? Show me where I said that.
 

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I don't get anything from facebook.... dunno why you would assume I do. I do have a habit though of watching hours of sometimes contradictory interviews with actual experts where people are actually trying to figure this out rather than just believe what they are told to believe. I don't hold one dogmatic view on this matter other than the reactions to it are highly suspicious especially combined with the great reset obsession.
Oh sorry to have assumed you got your info from Facebook. Youtube is of course a much more highly respected publisher of the latest scientific research developments.

So which one of these "experts" told you that spike proteins are created for 3 years? I'll wait for the link.


If it breaks down in 2 or three days why are there incidents of inflamed arms or chronic lightheadedness, etc for months on end for example?
Sources for these incidents?

The mRNA breaks down in 3 days but the spike proteins are still there until your body figures out how to destroy them, during which time you might not feel so great (especially if your immune system sucks). This can last up to around 4 weeks. If you get a second shot I imagine it could prolong your discomfort, though it should not last as long, unless your immune system really sucks.

And if you get that sick from just the spike protein I would imagine that actual Covid would probably kill you.


Why are bodies autopsied and spike proteins found in every organ of the body?
Because they spread throughout the body I would assume?
 

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I have never in my life been bored enough to want to study technical documents.... I leave that for others.... they bore me to tears.

You have your experts and I have mine.


That is where it is supposed to stay, it's not supposed to spread.

EDIT:
I assume you have a deathly allergy for all things Jerm so I won't bother posting any of his interviews so perhaps you can watch this? I only to date have gotten round to the first 20min so cannot speak for the whole thing.

So no evidence that the vaccine has been altered and no evidence that it has been found in every organ of the body in autopsies?

So why do you claim it?
 

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Sorry, might be above you. This forum is FULL of people with online Google degrees. They're the ones who aren't medical but punting everything to do with that.
My Huh was related to something you won't find in Google - logic (or your lack of).

You accuse people of calling covid harmless, yet then accuse them of being afraid of catching it and taking their chances. Take your pick, but can't have both.

And who tf do you think you are attacking someone else's intelligence. Gtfo
 

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My Huh was related to something you won't find in Google - logic (or your lack of).

You accuse people of calling covid harmless, yet then accuse them of being afraid of catching it and taking their chances. Take your pick, but can't have both.

And who tf do you think you are attacking someone else's intelligence. Gtfo
Sorry dude, but your "Huh!" had zero context. One word answers have that.
I am totally against idiots who feel this is just the flu, but won't go out and see if this is the case. Hence they're quite happy to nail others for taking precautions, whilst taking the same precautions they're complaining about. Get it now?

There was no pick. It's one and the same...the people that call it harmless are the ones who don't want to get it. So they need to take their pick. They cannot have both. Either it is, or isn't harmless.

As for intelligence, do you NOW see my point? I wasn't attacking your intelligence but general understanding. Hope it's clear on all fronts now.
 

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I don't get anything from facebook.... dunno why you would assume I do. I do have a habit though of watching hours of sometimes contradictory interviews with actual experts where people are actually trying to figure this out rather than just believe what they are told to believe. I don't hold one dogmatic view on this matter other than the reactions to it are highly suspicious especially combined with the great reset obsession.

If it breaks down in 2 or three days why are there incidents of inflamed arms or chronic lightheadedness, etc for months on end for example? Why are bodies autopsied and spike proteins found in every organ of the body?


Given the blind faith I witness here every day I would actually say I have a lot less of it than many.
People like you should be arrested and charged for posting spurious, false, undocumented garbage on public forums. Cite your sources of information, rambo (cracks me up every time I see this name)
 

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Well, this toxic thread at least convinced me of one thing.... now that Trump is gone the crazies need something new to attack to make their lives bearable..... so they switched TDS for VDS..... vaccine derangement syndrome.

No conversation can be had with these fanatics without gaslighting, insults, projection and general trolling in their attempts to completely shut down any competing narratives and figuratively burn the heretics. If ya'll wanna be turned over to your socialist insanity fine..... there is no point trying to have an honest discussion on this subject anywhere where the ideologically possessed are involved where anyone disagreeing with them are tin foil hatters.... but they themselves religiously believe their priests with their magic potion vaccines are going to save them.

The insanity has likely already reached the point of no return, if nothing stems it we will within the next 2-10 years see "anti-vaxxers" being first ostracized, told to wear an identifying mark and then herded into quarantine camps.... this has all happened before nothing about what comes next is a mystery..... anyone when it happens that is "shocked" at the fallout will be an outright liar.

As in the video I posted which I am guessing no one actually completely watched even people that are pro-vaccine are against these specific vaccines and are being called anti-vaxxers.... even though we don't really know anything for certain yet everyone acts as if we know everything for certain and everyone cites their own biased sources instead of even attempting to honestly look at the whole picture. And if you don't cite sources they already agree with then you are citing fake news..... which partly is why I never bother to try.... it would be an utter waste of time.

These people are no different to the party faithful of Nazi Germany, Maoist China or Soviet Russia..... there is no reasoning with them because in their minds unless something happens directly to them it's not real.... and in projection most people don't think something is real because it hasn't happened directly to them hence the ridiculous demands of "you heartless monster people are dying all around me AGGREEE WITH MEEEE".

Because of this proximity bias their logic has been utterly twisted by emotionalism, they are in a constant state of fear and are emotionally reacting to all stimulus.... they are reacting especially negatively to people who do not share their fear state as a survival mechanism that has short circuited. In their irrational terror of the virus they project irrational terror of vaccines unto others because it reinforces their survival dichotomy. Much the same thing happens with all the false phobia's, the label itself whether true or not is in their eyes proof of guilt. The label gets attacked rather than the person or argument, then the pigeon strutting starts along with sometimes disingenuous denials of being a jackass.

Not all fears are irrational, the rationality of a fear is demonstrated in how the person reacts to the cause of the fear..... I suppose irrationality is often imagined which in their minds means it's a phobia when in actual fact it is a rational fear.

But that's that, I stated my case and my mind is starting to wander. Anyone that has not seen these obvious truths by now won't be convinced because they have a strong emotional stake in sticking to their narrative.... and ironicaly if you say I have never solidly stuck to a single narrative regarding these issues I will be called a liar because some people cannot function without one and they project this failing upon all others.
 

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Well, this toxic thread at least convinced me of one thing.... now that Trump is gone the crazies need something new to attack to make their lives bearable..... so they switched TDS for VDS..... vaccine derangement syndrome.

No conversation can be had with these fanatics without gaslighting, insults, projection and general trolling in their attempts to completely shut down any competing narratives and figuratively burn the heretics. If ya'll wanna be turned over to your socialist insanity fine..... there is no point trying to have an honest discussion on this subject anywhere where the ideologically possessed are involved where anyone disagreeing with them are tin foil hatters.... but they themselves religiously believe their priests with their magic potion vaccines are going to save them.

The insanity has likely already reached the point of no return, if nothing stems it we will within the next 2-10 years see "anti-vaxxers" being first ostracized, told to wear an identifying mark and then herded into quarantine camps.... this has all happened before nothing about what comes next is a mystery..... anyone when it happens that is "shocked" at the fallout will be an outright liar.

As in the video I posted which I am guessing no one actually completely watched even people that are pro-vaccine are against these specific vaccines and are being called anti-vaxxers.... even though we don't really know anything for certain yet everyone acts as if we know everything for certain and everyone cites their own biased sources instead of even attempting to honestly look at the whole picture. And if you don't cite sources they already agree with then you are citing fake news..... which partly is why I never bother to try.... it would be an utter waste of time.

These people are no different to the party faithful of Nazi Germany, Maoist China or Soviet Russia..... there is no reasoning with them because in their minds unless something happens directly to them it's not real.... and in projection most people don't think something is real because it hasn't happened directly to them hence the ridiculous demands of "you heartless monster people are dying all around me AGGREEE WITH MEEEE".

Because of this proximity bias their logic has been utterly twisted by emotionalism, they are in a constant state of fear and are emotionally reacting to all stimulus.... they are reacting especially negatively to people who do not share their fear state as a survival mechanism that has short circuited. In their irrational terror of the virus they project irrational terror of vaccines unto others because it reinforces their survival dichotomy. Much the same thing happens with all the false phobia's, the label itself whether true or not is in their eyes proof of guilt. The label gets attacked rather than the person or argument, then the pigeon strutting starts along with sometimes disingenuous denials of being a jackass.

Not all fears are irrational, the rationality of a fear is demonstrated in how the person reacts to the cause of the fear..... I suppose irrationality is often imagined which in their minds means it's a phobia when in actual fact it is a rational fear.

But that's that, I stated my case and my mind is starting to wander. Anyone that has not seen these obvious truths by now won't be convinced because they have a strong emotional stake in sticking to their narrative.... and ironicaly if you say I have never solidly stuck to a single narrative regarding these issues I will be called a liar because some people cannot function without one and they project this failing upon all others.

Great attempt at trying to convince everyone that you are a victim of some kind of oppressive religious movement, when in fact you are just spouting BS (with no facts or sources to back anything up), and are rightfully being called out on it.

Your "narratives" fall apart when examined, but instead of examining them yourself, you ignore their flaws and patch them up with even more bizarre fantasies.

In your world view, everyone is lying. The doctors, the government, the scientists, the media, the hospitals, the statisticians, the vaccine developers along with the entire pharmaceutical industry, and all of us as well.

And who do you trust? Bottom of the gutter websites that you are even too ashamed of citing because you know that no sane person would believe anything they say.

So instead of giving us a sob story, how about you prove your claim that spike proteins keep getting produced in the body for 3 years (which was the entire basis for your warped reasoning behind why vaccines are dangerous and "we will only see the true effects in decades to come").
 
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And something else I believe:
vaccine
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a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

The current "vaccines" that are touted as such world-wide is no vaccine in real terms as it fails the basic test - provides immunity. Calling this and all the anti-flu jabs a vaccine is stretching it, imho.

With polio, smallpox, tetanus, et al, once you are vaccinated you become immune to said disease.
That is not the definition of immunity in respect to vaccines. They are not required to provide 100% protection or even to prevent you from getting sick to be considered vaccines. Plenty of vaccines don’t.

So you can believe that immunity means 100% protection, but that is not the technical definition in this case.

I think people are missing the fact that the hospital system (even private) may completely collapse in the long-term if we don't do a lockdown - medical personnel are humans too.
It really could collapse if economic activity drops too much. Otherwise highly unlikely. It may get overwhelmed though.

A pity all the MyBB experts cannot drop their differences, get together and solve this issue that every other expert on the planet cannot solve.
More restrictions. Those apparently fix anything.

Speaking of which: I seriously doubt, nay convinced, that there is no such thing with this one, same as the other one from that family, i.e. the common cold.
And yet we do develop useful antibodies to the coronavirus that is one of the causes of the generic illness we call the common cold. It is of course also caused by a variety of other viruses.

I have no doubt about the ANC being rotten. Unfortunately the suggestion of a hard lockdown was not about them, it's about saving the hospital system from collapsing.
“Collapsing”

Wait until you or a loved one gets this and let’s see your rambo then.
It won’t make any difference.

This isn’t a normal virus.
It is completely normal.

It’s not just about deaths, it’s about damaged lungs, heart conditions etc. You heroes jumping onto every thread talking down this real pandemic should be blocked from the forums. It’s disrespectful to all who are suffering in so many ways from this illness.
So maybe supporters restrictions and “lockdowns“ should be blocked too then.

Yeah sure. Similar symptoms are possible. You're not saying anything about the rates at which severe cases and deaths occur. Nor how frequently Covid (novel Coronavirus) causes severe complications in other organs when compared to the flu (Influenza virus).
Firstly the media and various scaremongers have persistently presented them as completely unique to COVID-19. There were even some truly ridiculous attempts at scaremongering, like mentioning hair loss. However the incidence of various complications has been studied and they are somewhat more prevalent for COVID-19. Nonetheless common annual influenza is a far nastier and more dangerous infection than people realise. That much has become exceedingly apparent.
 
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