'People laughed as robbers died' Good?

[TELESPHORE]

Was it not Minister Charles Nqakula who said whites should stop whining or leave the country, as townships know how to deal with crime. Well Minister it seems whites also started dealing with crime.
Fix the justice and police system and stop crime else SA is going to be like the wild west. The Wild South would be a good name.

Make my day

 

[hj2k_x]

I'd cheer...

Goo to hear

 

[BandwidthAddict]

I am for rule of law but when the law breaks down, I say let those who would be civil in other circumstances win. Shoot the criminal bstrds. I just wish I could get my hands on a gun legally. I can admit to having sleepless nights after reading some news articles. This country scares the **** out of me.

Peace.

 

[Brenden_E]

Couldn't legally get hold of a gun so I took up reading kung fu books. My words are weapons!

 

[frenchi6625]

before you attempt to take the law into your own hands, stop watching action movies from your couch feeling all gung ho and get some real training. there are plenty ex military guys in their middle ages hanging around, they should start setting up self defence und public policing training schools or something. teach people how to defend themselves.

if someone attacks you on your property, you'll need more than big talk to defend yourself. and if you do manage to blow someone away, what are you going to do with the body? calling the cops at that point is a ticket straight to prison.

 

[Natas]

The locals raised their glasses as the robbers lay dying and then rang the police. As one of the drinkers told the Beeld newspaper: "They died slowly, we all stood and laughed."

I think this is hilarious!!?!!?! **** those b@stards..may they rot in hell and their families ad everyone they know all die horrible deaths over the festive season!!!

 

[Leitmotif]

I just wish I could get my hands on a gun legally.

Have you tried, or are you another poor soul discouraged by the laws?

Couldn't legally get hold of a gun so I took up reading kung fu books. My words are weapons!

See above... also, please tell me what you're going to do if there are multiple people in your house? Fight them all? Nothing scares criminals like a loaded gun in the hands of a competent user.

before you attempt to take the law into your own hands, stop watching action movies from your couch feeling all gung ho and get some real training.

Agreed. While showing a weapon is enough to get you out of casual trouble (read: back off, muggers), you'll need training in order for your gun to actually be useful in a dangerous situation. Go to the range and do some barricade shooting with 'jams'. Try some draw-shoot practise. You'll be amazed by how little like the movies it is. Training is what makes the difference between competent legal owners and criminals who just bought a gun from their local dealer. Practise as often as possible.

if someone attacks you on your property, you'll need more than big talk to defend yourself. and if you do manage to blow someone away, what are you going to do with the body? calling the cops at that point is a ticket straight to prison.

Hence why .za needs a victim's charter. All of the protection in the legal system seems to go the way of the criminal.

 

[Brenden_E]

I waaas kiddin...
Thought it was obvious

 

[Leitmotif]

I waaas kiddin...
Thought it was obvious

Sigh... seems I lose all sense of humour when someone mentions guns. It's my big red button.

 

[RichardP]

I honestly think if government can't deal with crime they should empower their citizens to deal with it themselves. I'm not talking about vigilantism but if someone is for example breaking into my house and already committing a crime why should I not have the legal right to blow him away? Change the law to allow this kind of action and scrap the ridiculous gun laws that essentially try and prevent people from owning them in the first place and watch how quickly crime drops.

And if your Son/Daugher is in the kitchen making a sandwich at 3am, wakes you up by making a noise and in your daze of sleepyness - you start shooting at the silouette ...

Does this justify owning a gun? Things like this dont allways happen 'to other people' Cure the disease, dont treat the symptom

 

[BandwidthAddict]

Have you tried, or are you another poor soul discouraged by the laws?

Discouraged by the laws. I read that the government get really intrusive when you request a gun license. I agree with you that should I get a gun, I will go through the most intensive and comprehensive training I can find. No use having a gun and not knowing how to use it.

And if your Son/Daugher is in the kitchen making a sandwich at 3am, wakes you up by making a noise and in your daze of sleepyness - you start shooting at the silouette ...

RichardP - Does that really happen? And how often? Straw man argument? I know that it is a fear for ppl but if you are the kind of person that does not wake properly, then you should not get a gun. But I have no such problem, when I wake, I am awake and ready to go. Besides, I live alone so that is not a problem, if there is a shadow, it certainly should not be there. Although at that point, I am probably dead anyway since they would have the drop on me.

Ah well. Nothing is perfect.

Peace.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

People laugh as someone dies and some of you guys agree with that???

If I act in self-defense and happen to kill somebody, I don't think I'd be laughing.

If you laugh at the death of somebody (regardless of whether they're guilty of a crime or not), you are indeed a sick individual.

 

[Leitmotif]

And if your Son/Daugher is in the kitchen making a sandwich at 3am, wakes you up by making a noise and in your daze of sleepyness - you start shooting at the silouette ...

Does this justify owning a gun? Things like this dont allways happen 'to other people' Cure the disease, dont treat the symptom

a) Keep a torch next to your bed, along with your gun. If possible, have a tac-light attached. Standard advice from any good trainer.
b) This will only happen if you've got an itchy trigger finger. The law requires that you shoot only when you have a reasonable fear of imminent harm or death. Gun owners tend to be responsible, and know this.

Does the chance that the sound in your house might be someone raping your daughter or killing your son not bear consideration? When have you seen a case of mistaken identity as you described in the press? Because make no mistake, the press would crucify any gun owner who did anything this blatantly stupid.

You're indoctrinated. Look at the facts. Gun defense *works*.

Discouraged by the laws. I read that the government get really intrusive when you request a gun license.

Not really intrusive... they just take forever and reject licenses arbitrarily. Then you get a lawyer to send them a nice little letter, and they cough it up. sigh.

 

[RichardP]

a) Keep a torch next to your bed, along with your gun. If possible, have a tac-light attached. Standard advice from any good trainer.
b) This will only happen if you've got an itchy trigger finger. The law requires that you shoot only when you have a reasonable fear of imminent harm or death. Gun owners tend to be responsible, and know this.

Does the chance that the sound in your house might be someone raping your daughter or killing your son not bear consideration? When have you seen a case of mistaken identity as you described in the press? Because make no mistake, the press would crucify any gun owner who did anything this blatantly stupid.

You're indoctrinated. Look at the facts. Gun defense *works*.

Responsible gun owners are not the problem... its the 'gung-ho wannabes'. Why does a person want to own a gun? Protection? or 'To kill the ******* that pisses me off' . the latter is a bad reason. Do you reload your own bullets and add 1 more grain for Fun? change the bullet heads for armour/piercing bullets? These could be the typical character traits of a person that should NOT own a gun. The differentiation between a fanatic and a concerned citizen is quite large.


There are many valid reasons for owning a gun, but there are many that show the opposite - more gun owners are killed or injured by their own firearms. Those are the people that are dangerous.

Its 3 am, there are 4 armed people in your house taking your TV etc etc .. how will a gun help? There are 4 adrenaline charged and scared trigger happy theives against 1 cautious and nervous person who is afriad of doing the wrong thing.

By Law you have to keep your gun in a safe - what point is that when you need it for protection!

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

By Law you have to keep your gun in a safe - what point is that when you need it for protection!

So get a safe.. and don't keep it in there. Just open the safe afterwards if you have used the gun.

I don't think anyone is going to do random checks on whether your gun is actually in a safe. Just don't keep it anywhere obvious and of course, no where where criminals would get to it before you.. this might be the tricky bit though.

 

[supersunbird]

Discouraged by the laws. I read that the government get really intrusive when you request a gun license. I agree with you that should I get a gun, I will go through the most intensive and comprehensive training I can find. No use having a gun and not knowing how to use it.



RichardP - Does that really happen? And how often? Straw man argument? I know that it is a fear for ppl but if you are the kind of person that does not wake properly, then you should not get a gun. But I have no such problem, when I wake, I am awake and ready to go. Besides, I live alone so that is not a problem, if there is a shadow, it certainly should not be there. Although at that point, I am probably dead anyway since they would have the drop on me.

Ah well. Nothing is perfect.

Peace.

Thats why you should have a safe zone in your house/apartment, created by a security door outside your bedroom door or in the passage to bedroom/s.

 

[Brenden_E]

Responsible gun owners are not the problem... its the 'gung-ho wannabes'. Why does a person want to own a gun? Protection? or 'To kill the ******* that pisses me off' . the latter is a bad reason. Do you reload your own bullets and add 1 more grain for Fun? change the bullet heads for armour/piercing bullets? These could be the typical character traits of a person that should NOT own a gun. The differentiation between a fanatic and a concerned citizen is quite large.

Yea niggah - I'm pimpin 2 9's, comin ova your place to shake up your lanky ass!

 

[supersunbird]

People laugh as someone dies and some of you guys agree with that???

If I act in self-defense and happen to kill somebody, I don't think I'd be laughing.

If you laugh at the death of somebody (regardless of whether they're guilty of a crime or not), you are indeed a sick individual.

These werent just people that did a petty crime, these were armed robbers that were holding up a bar, detective got the drop on them.

Our street of 30 houses has had 4 armed robberies (that included rape incidents and car taking) and various other incidents (trespassers at night, hurting of dogs) and we live in fear in our street, we are taking proactive measures for whats it worth but still live in fear.

Damn yes I'll cheer!

 

[RichardP]

Discouraged by the laws. I read that the government get really intrusive when you request a gun license. I agree with you that should I get a gun, I will go through the most intensive and comprehensive training I can find. No use having a gun and not knowing how to use it.



RichardP - Does that really happen? And how often? Straw man argument? I know that it is a fear for ppl but if you are the kind of person that does not wake properly, then you should not get a gun. But I have no such problem, when I wake, I am awake and ready to go. Besides, I live alone so that is not a problem, if there is a shadow, it certainly should not be there. Although at that point, I am probably dead anyway since they would have the drop on me.

Ah well. Nothing is perfect.

Peace.

Yes, it does happen. if you have been drinking all night, get home in the wee hours of the morning - and then your sleep is disturbed an hour later. you cannot possible tell me that the person has got full control over his facilties.

Its not the resonable guy that should be prevented from owning a gun... the fanatics are also getting guns.. thats what the law is trying to change, but using the wrong technique.

There was a case recently (within the last 2 years) where a father shot his daughter accidentally. He could not identify the silouette so he shot it. These kind of things are 100% avoidable.

Thats why you should have a safe zone in your house/apartment, created by a security door outside your bedroom door or in the passage to bedroom/s.

That is the reason I left SA... Baricaded in my property, Electric fence,security bars/gates, alarm system, panic buttons, dogs, camera facing the driveway - and then the security gates inside the house.

THAT to me is not a life, its an existence of fear.

I cant agree with Shooting someone and then laughing at them until they died... but I can understand the anguish and suffering those resturant patrons endured before the theives were taken out.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

These werent just people that did a petty crime, these were armed robbers that were holding up a bar, detective got the drop on them.

Our street of 30 houses has had 4 armed robberies (that included rape incidents and car taking) and various other incidents (trespassers at night, hurting of dogs) and we live in fear in our street, we are taking proactive measures for whats it worth but still live in fear.

Damn yes I'll cheer!

I'm not condoning their crimes and if they die due to a victim acting in self-defense then I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it's certainly not funny either.