Peter de Villiers, Yay or Nah?

[antowan]

This is a revival thread of an older one I had to delete. Pls continue the discussion here without the personal insults thrown at each other. Play the ball not the man in others words.



Happy posting.

 

[Kabraal]

We all know PdV is not the world greatest technical coach. He has definitely made some bad calls through this winter. Yet, we still have a Lions series in the bag and we’ll most likely take the tri nations and sit on the #1 ranking as the season closes. That’s it really. The nothing more to it for me. We’ve had an excellent season. Far better than our general standard winter seasons over the last years.

PdV does bring some positives to the team. When was the last time we heard politicians make noise about selection? Who remembers when Jake coached? Weekly he was threatened for selecting pretty much this exact same side. Every week some politician shot off his mouth wrt selection. As long as PdV coaches and as long as January sits on the bench, the Union Buildings seems to be quite. And tbh… I can live with that.

Brussouw and Steyn anyone? Probably our best players of the season. Players that won games for us. Do you really think White (technical brilliance and all) would’ve selected these guys? He has already indicated that he never would’ve selected a Brussouw or Stegman. And this could've cost us the Lions series. This imo is one of the best correct calls made by PdV, which funnily everyone ignores. And the cherry on top is that no politician complained about them looking startlingly like Dutchmen.

Nah… he has made right calls and wrong calls. But looking at the overall picture, the entire bok team has been very successful. And let’s face it, in Saturday’s loss the players themselves fumbled the basics. I doubt that PdV coached Habana to miss the ball…

 

[Devill]

And let’s face it, in Saturday’s loss the players themselves fumbled the basics. I doubt that PdV coached Habana to miss the ball…

.....twice

But I agree 100% with you. The stats do the talking, the players seem happy, the baffoons in the gov are making no noise and we are mostly winning.

I am happy to support him as long as he brings these things to the table.

 

[Shred]

So far he is doing fine based on selection and the results IMO. But whether or not he is responsible for everything, not sure. Remember Dick Muir is there as well, he is silent but also deserves some credit I suppose. John Smit and Victor Matfield also deserves a lot of credit for their leadership.

 

[Pitbull]

PdV made 2 crucial mistakes on Saturday.

1. Adi Jacobs? I mean WTF?
2. Replace Bakkie Botha? WTF?

Appart from that he's still doing ok. Like I mentioned in the previous thread, I'm not going to rate him as yet. Just judging by the amature mistakes he made on Saturday any praise would have been misplaced. It does however not make him a bad coach. We need to give him time so we can judge him accordingly.

Currently he's doing a good job. I'm sure he's allowed a mistake or 2

 

[Devill]

So far he is doing fine based on selection and the results IMO. But whether or not he is responsible for everything, not sure. Remember Dick Muir is there as well, he is silent but also deserves some credit I suppose. John Smit and Victor Matfield also deserves a lot of credit for their leadership.

This has been mentioned before but as I say Bill Gates did not build your Pentium chip but he will be remembered instead of the 3rd in command at microsoft

Good/clever leader(yeah I know he is no William Wallace) surround themselves with capable people because the good and the bad will be attribute to them and he will have to take responsibillity for all of it.

 

[sand_man]

PdV made 2 crucial mistakes on Saturday.

1. Adi Jacobs? I mean WTF?
2. Replace Bakkie Botha? WTF?

I wouldn't have brought Adi on either but if he brought Francois Steyn on who would have subbed Ruan? He probably should have done that and kept Ruan on for the full 80 but Ruan had a mediocre game at 15 so I thought his substitution was a good one.

Bakkies was looking tired and banged up. I guess PDV wanted to inject some fresh legs into the pack and we were getting hammered in the loose so I guess he felt it wouldn't be prudent to sub both Juan and Brusouw with Danie and Schalk, rather one loose forward and one lock then both loose forwards.

Personally I would have taken Juan off and brought Schalk on for him rather than Brusouw. We were too slow to the breakdowns, Juan isn't the quickest around the park anymore...

I would love to see Nokwe get back into the squad maybe on the right wing for the injured Pieterson...

 

[Devill]

Ruan had a mediocre game....

Yes like 90 % of the team

 

[sand_man]

Yes like 90 % of the team

I don't want to evoke the wrath of the Natal faithful, really I don't but honestly he was well below par...

I lost count how many times he was out of position and it was left to Morne and Fourie to tidy up at the back.

On attack he made no impression what so ever.

At the end of the day I blame the selectors, not Ruan. You don't play out of position in a test match rugby. That's rule number 1. He needs to be selected at 9 where he can cover for Fourie and where he can excel and show is unquestionable talents, January moet terug Kaap gaan...

 

[Devill]

I don't want to evoke the wrath of the Natal faithful, really I don't but honestly he was well below par...

I lost count how many times he was out of position and it was left to Morne and Fourie to tidy up at the back.

On attack he made no impression what so ever.

At the end of the day I blame the selectors, not Ruan. You don't play out of position in a test match rugby. That's rule number 1. He needs to be selected at 9 where he can cover for Fourie and where he can excel and show is unquestionable talents, January moet terug Kaap gaan...

Lol, true but lets face it the whole team was average to poor barring maybe Bismarck and that in turn puts pressure on the other players and at the end it was a vicious cycle.

Well im sure the boks will come back with a bang next weekend.

 

[I am Penguin]

I don't want to evoke the wrath of the Natal faithful, really I don't but honestly he was well below par...

I lost count how many times he was out of position and it was left to Morne and Fourie to tidy up at the back.
On attack he made no impression what so ever.

At the end of the day I blame the selectors, not Ruan. You don't play out of position in a test match rugby. That's rule number 1. He needs to be selected at 9 where he can cover for Fourie and where he can excel and show is unquestionable talents, January moet terug Kaap gaan...

So i was not the only one who noticed. Thanks for higlighting the facts I was to scared to mention it out of fear that I will be attacked for my views again.

BTW. I am a Natal supporter second, Boks first, coach last.

PS: I voted "unsure" as I am not at all sure whether he is up to the job. I did not like him at first but it seems his management style is acceptable (While he keeps his mouth shut) to the team so thats a plus, who am I to argue with the team. He also stands by his men, thats respectable. Technically as confirmed by Smith he is not up to Jakes standards and maybe he needs more help there or Maybe? will learn. As some have said, we have to wait and see whether he will succeed in the long run. But for now I am not certain at all, Tri-nations win or not. The last game just confirmed my doubts.

 

[Pitbull]

hehehe

I'm so glad I'm reserving my judgement on his performance. I could have shot my mouth of last week like other people and would have had egg running down my face

Seriously. I wish everyone would just give this time to settle and then make an educated assessment instead of an emotional one. We will only know in 2-3 years what kind of a coach he really is. I mean I hated Jake White 80% of the time he coached the squad. But looking back at it now, he was a good coach with his up's and down's. Let's give PdV the time to cement the reasons for the views he will get in 2-3 years.

 

[Devill]

PS: I voted "unsure" as I am not at all sure whether he is up to the job. I did not like him at first but it seems his management style is acceptable (While he keeps his mouth shut) to the team so thats a plus, who am I to argue with the team. He also stands by his men, thats respectable. Technically as confirmed by Smith he is not up to Jakes standards and maybe he needs more help there or Maybe? will learn. As some have said, we have to wait and see whether he will succeed in the long run. But for now I am not certain at all, Tri-nations win or not. The last game just confirmed my doubts.

Might I ask what you are refering to here? Could you maybe quote the text? I would really like to read it.

 

[greggpb]

I feel that PDV is not doing much for the team.. the team that is winning is pretty much built by Jack white and the team is getting to old.. no real new blood..

And they never has a secondary game plan when thing go south......

In my eyes PDV is not a Great coach..

 

[Devill]

I feel that PDV is not doing much for the team.. the team that is winning is pretty much built by Jack white and the team is getting to old.. no real new blood..

And they never has a secondary game plan when thing go south......

In my eyes PDV is not a Great coach..

:erm: JW did not "do" change. Brussouw and Morne steyn would never have gotten a chance.

Also two years after he start its not Jake white's team anymore

 

[Cantera]

I still cant understand how people can say its Jake White's team. It makes no sense. Did Jake White coach those players at High School? At their provinces?

How can it be Jake White's team? Cos he won a World Cup with them? Does that make that specific team, his for life?

So will Brussow and Steyn be PDV's players for the rest of their career?

Saying the current team is Jake White's is just ridiculously stupid!

 

[I am Penguin]

Might I ask what you are refering to here? Could you maybe quote the text? I would really like to read it.

I will have to find it. The thread was deleted so i will have to search for the link again.

I cannot find the exact page but here is a reference to the same quote

‘People must understand that the vibe Peter gives out in the media is very different to the one we get from him as players,’ he said. ‘He is very different to Jake White, but in some ways he is better, so it is strange for us to see the stuff that comes out in the media. Technically you will not get better than Jake but Peter has other very good attributes.

http://www.keo.co.za/2009/07/12/smit-defends-de-villiers/

 

[Pitbull]

I still cant understand how people can say its Jake White's team. It makes no sense. Did Jake White coach those players at High School? At their provinces?

How can it be Jake White's team? Cos he won a World Cup with them? Does that make that specific team, his for life?

So will Brussow and Steyn be PDV's players for the rest of their career?

Saying the current team is Jake White's is just ridiculously stupid!

Defo

 

[Cantera]

Defo

So if PDV leaves today and 5 years down the line - Brussow is still in the team. The coach cannot take any credit for coaching Brussow?

bwhahahahahaha

Are you serious?

 

[Pitbull]

So if PDV leaves today and 5 years down the line - Brussow is still in the team. The coach cannot take any credit for coaching Brussow?

bwhahahahahaha

Are you serious?

That is not what I'm saying. I am saying PdV made him a Bok not so? Am I wrong?