Peter de Villiers, Yay or Nah?

[Cantera]

How many games did Kitch coach the Boks?

14

 

[semiautomatix]

How many games did Kitch coach the Boks?

14

Yeah, no dedication, just quitting so suddenly when he found out he had leukaemia!

Wait, what's your point? Only one other coach comes to mind winning 14 (well 14+ games) in a row.

 

[Devill]

I have decided to retract any previous derogatory comments about PDV.

Yesterday I listened to a wonderful summary of PDV on 702 by David O Sullivan. He described the manner in which he has managed the team and made the team comfortable as players for the team.

It was said of PDV that he cannot coach or teach the Boks anything they don't already know. He can only make them comfortable and manage them.

If that's all he did, I think he's been extremely successful. Nice one, PDV!

Now that is really big of you. The world would be a better place if people could admit that they might not have been 100% correct in the past

 

[Cantera]

Yeah, no dedication, just quitting so suddenly when he found out he had leukaemia!

Wait, what's your point? Only one other coach comes to mind winning 14 (well 14+ games) in a row.

Do you think rugby loving South Africans are living under a rock?

We all know the Kitch story.

If only more people will be like McT. Admitting he was wrong about PDV and giving PDV the credit he deserves.

Much respect to you McT!

 

[semiautomatix]

Do you think rugby loving South Africans are living under a rock?

We all know the Kitch story.

If only more people will be like McT. Admitting he was wrong about PDV and giving PDV the credit he deserves.

Much respect to you McT!

Then why argue, its just seems at times you conveniently forget? Just admit to it.

However, you are so blinded by Div, you forget about the rest of the coaching team, particularly Dick Muir. Its one thing to inspire, quite another to have the technical ability to actually get the job done.

 

[Devill]

Then why argue, its just seems at times you conveniently forget? Just admit to it.

However, you are so blinded by Div, you forget about the rest of the coaching team, particularly Dick Muir. Its one thing to inspire, quite another to have the technical ability to actually get the job done.

Yes but remember if you want to play the game of "but look at the staff " you have to adhear to those rules when the boks lose as well

I agree 100% that he has a great supporting team around him but at the end of the day he picked them and while he might not be the best or most complete coach in World Rugby he is at the moment more than good enough to keep us at the top for another year or two.

 

[Cantera]

Argue?

I was merely pointing out that Kitch coached 14 games ONLY

Div is the reason the Boks are Tri Nation champions and are the current World Number 1.

He had the technical ability to win a junior World Cup. There is nothing wrong with the technical aspect of his coaching. As was shown when he master minded the Tri Nations win.

 

[semiautomatix]

Yes but remember if you want to play the game of "but look at the staff " you have to adhear to those rules when the boks lose as well

Indeed, fire the coach and he takes his staff with him. They do go hand-in-hand, you know?

 

[Devill]

Indeed, fire the coach and he takes his staff with him. They do go hand-in-hand, you know?

Uhm not always.... a couple of times some of the support staff stuck around for some time

 

[semiautomatix]

Argue?

I was merely pointing out that Kitch coached 14 games ONLY

And I was point out that de Villiers has never won 14 games on the trot... wait, do I have to add "only"? ONLY.

Div is the reason the Boks are Tri Nation champions and are the current World Number 1.

He had the technical ability to win a junior World Cup. There is nothing wrong with the technical aspect of his coaching. As was shown when he master minded the Tri Nations win.

Look, you tell yourself something enough times I'm sure it becomes true for you. I'll congratulate him on his win, I think he's done well but I still don't think he's proved himself satisfactorily, in my eyes. I'm still giving him a chance, we'll see then.

 

[semiautomatix]

Uhm not always.... a couple of times some of the support staff stuck around for some time

Only really if the new coach approves.

 

[Devill]

And I was point out that de Villiers has never won 14 games on the trot... wait, do I have to add "only"? ONLY.

Look, you tell yourself something enough times I'm sure it becomes true for you. I'll congratulate him on his win, I think he's done well but I still don't think he's proved himself satisfactorily, in my eyes. I'm still giving him a chance, we'll see then.

Would you still rather have had JW there still?

 

[Morgoth]

Kitch = amateur era I don't see how you can compare to different jobs.. he was a great coach no doubt, but comparing amateurs with pros just doesn't make sense.
PDV Mallet and White both had a coaching staff twice the size of Kitch and had way more training to do, not to mention they had more politics making it an all together job.

 

[semiautomatix]

Would you still rather have had JW there still?

The best I can answer is that I feel that Jake White would have done as good a job as Peter de Villiers, possibly even better between the World Cup and June this year.

My concern, however, is whether de Villiers is able to conjure up the players and continuity that Jake White did. Until then I will continue to claim that Jake White was the better coach. But he still has time.

 

[semiautomatix]

Kitch = amateur era I don't see how you can compare to different jobs.. he was a great coach no doubt, but comparing amateurs with pros just doesn't make sense.
PDV Mallet and White both had a coaching staff twice the size of Kitch and had way more training to do, not to mention they had more politics making it an all together job.

Let me rephrase:

Kitch Christie win% in the professional era: 100% (away win% of 100%)

Better Morgoth? Or did you forget that he coached in both? Oops.

Of course you comments merely highlight how much better Kitch was because he did it without all the props, eh?

 

[Cantera]

How can a coach win the Tri Nations, win the Lions series and get the Boks to be number one in the world not prove himself to you?

Stop being a hater dude. I am over the moon the Boks are doing well. Im EXTREMELY proud of the Boks as im sure most South Africans are.

As pointed out in this thread. Winning a Tri Nations is much harder than winning a World Cup.

 

[Devill]

The best I can answer is that I feel that Jake White would have done as good a job as Peter de Villiers, possibly even better between the World Cup and June this year.

My concern, however, is whether de Villiers is able to conjure up the players and continuity that Jake White did. Until then I will continue to claim that Jake White was the better coach. But he still has time.

:erm: I differ there from you. a) No to Morne steyn b) No to brussouw

Those two played a HUGE part in us beating the lions and in the first and second test against the ABs.... But like you said say it enough times and it might come true

 

[Morgoth]

Let me rephrase:

Kitch Christie win% in the professional era: 100% (away win% of 100%)

Better Morgoth? Or did you forget that he coached in both? Oops.

Of course you comments merely highlight how much better Kitch was because he did it without all the props, eh?

it is still not comparable, he worked with amateurs who turned pro, its a entirely different mindset... wake up?

 

[semiautomatix]

How can a coach win the Tri Nations, win the Lions series and get the Boks to be number one in the world not prove himself to you?

Stop being a hater dude. I am over the moon the Boks are doing well. Im EXTREMELY proud of the Boks as im sure most South Africans are.

As pointed out in this thread. Winning a Tri Nations is much harder than winning a World Cup.

My concern, however, is whether de Villiers is able to conjure up the players and continuity that Jake White did. Until then I will continue to claim that Jake White was the better coach. But he still has time.

I feel like I'm having a discussion with a brick wall.

Btw, Cantera, people on this forum are entitled to their opinion, as are you. No need for the name calling.

Oh, and Jake White has BOTH (yes, I bolded it!) a World Cup and Trinations under his belt. So he has won the hardest of the hard and then some.

 

[semiautomatix]

it is still not comparable, he worked with amateurs who turned pro, its a entirely different mindset... wake up?

Oh, so now it's gone from he didn't coach in the professional era to he only coached in the "professional era from when Morgoth says its okay to be called the professional era"?

Don't throw out facts if the can be reputed, and don't get upset when they are. There goes your credibility.