Peter de Villiers, Yay or Nah?

Do you like Peter de Villiers or not?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 53.1%
  • No

    Votes: 25 25.5%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 21 21.4%

  • Total voters
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semiautomatix

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White's team wasnt one of the best outfits in history. In fact, i wasnt even too sure we would have won the WC.

This current team - when they play i feel much more confident than what i did when White's ''team'' played.

White had some dodgy games. You never really knew if we would win. Under PDV i feel we WILL win cos as it was shown this season, we really WIPPED the All blacks and the Wallabies.

I never had that confident feeling under White.

I was referring to Mallet's team, not everything is about Jake White :p
 

KarooKlonkie

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Yes, because he seems like a nice enough bloke and we're winning so he's obv doing something right.
 

Kompete

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It has become blatantly obvious though that some people will just not give him the full credit he deserves. It is actually a rather bizarre situation as I have never before heard the previous coach, or the support coaching staff, being given so much credit when a team does well. It really does seem like a bit of a vendetta against PdV. I have no idea why...

Is it that hard to fugure out...:rolleyes:
 

LancelotSA

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Sandman, quite interesting that after our discussion of Mallett yesterday in this thread there was an article in the Natal Mercury today with him expressing his views on PdV and the current Bok team.
 

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Just saw John Smit on Blitz now.

He admitted that if PDV never got the springbok coach he doubts the Boks would have been so succesful.

He went on to say that the reason why the Boks have won everything is due to PDV and he is glad the coaching job wasnt given to another South African.
 

semiautomatix

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Just saw John Smit on Blitz now.

He admitted that if PDV never got the springbok coach he doubts the Boks would have been so succesful.

He went on to say that the reason why the Boks have won everything is due to PDV and he is glad the coaching job wasnt given to another South African.

Of course he has to! He can't turn on a coach that helped assist them win the Trinations, even if has has other opinions.
 

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Well if he didnt feel that way, he would not have said ''Another South African would not have achieved the same success with the Boks''

There was no need to say those exact words. He believes it.
 

semiautomatix

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Well if he didnt feel that way, he would not have said ''Another South African would not have achieved the same success with the Boks''

There was no need to say those exact words. He believes it.

Read the phrasing, its subtle, but its there.
 

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Sandman, quite interesting that after our discussion of Mallett yesterday in this thread there was an article in the Natal Mercury today with him expressing his views on PdV and the current Bok team.
Very interesting yes. More importantly what where/are his views on the matter?

You reckon Mallet reads the sports threads on myBB?

Damn it would be awesome having him post his views and opinions on here!!!

It's interesting to note in Mallets book he makes mention of the fact that he didn't care what anyone else had to say about rugby and strategies barring 2 members of the springbok squad...

One was Rassie and the other was Honiball...
 
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LancelotSA

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Very interesting yes. More importantly what where/are his views on the matter?

You reckon Mallet reads the sports threads on myBB?

Damn it would be awesome having him post his views and opinions on here!!!

It's interesting to note in Mallets book he makes mention of the fact that he didn't care what anyone else had to say about rugby and strategies barring 2 members of the springbok squad...

One was Rassie and the other was Honiball...

Unfortunately you need to subscribe to Mercury to be able to read it online which is the reason I did not post it. But the headline was :

"Boks the best since readmission, says Mallett"


Here are some extracts :

"Peter's record is absolutely fantastic," Mallett said. "What makes it so good is the fact that most of his games have been against top teams. so in that respect, Peter has done really well."
 

semiautomatix

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That cannot be denied, but now that a BEE coach won a few games and a TRI-Nations he is the "BEST" coach in the world even better than the Henry's of the day. :sick: All he is IMHO, is proved that he seems a damn good manager who can empower people to do/strive for better. As Pittbull said only time (WC) will tell.

Possibly even after that. Many players are currently playing until the World Cup before ending their careers. If Div is successful in filling those gaps and creating his own team, then I will give him all the credit that is due to him.
 

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Damn right! Jake White has helped us create the best team in several decades! Yay!

Jip he helped create... Funny how he never got the Boks to dominate like this....

Possibly even after that. Many players are currently playing until the World Cup before ending their careers. If Div is successful in filling those gaps and creating his own team, then I will give him all the credit that is due to him.

Yeah so if there are no J.smits or bakkies bothas or even jean de villierss out there its his fault....

Thats like saying Mallet needs to win the next WC with Italy else he is a shlt coach.
 

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Possibly even after that. Many players are currently playing until the World Cup before ending their careers. If Div is successful in filling those gaps and creating his own team, then I will give him all the credit that is due to him.

So Nick mallet needs to win the WC with italy else he is a bad coach? And what if there are not such talented players as Bakkies, Du preez, smit, De Villiers, Matfield?

Is that PdV fault? He has proven he has what it takes to take a good team and make them better.

Damn right! Jake White has helped us create the best team in several decades! Yay!

Jip he helped...its just funny that the boks never dominated like this under him....
 

semiautomatix

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Jip he helped create... Funny how he never got the Boks to dominate like this....



Yeah so if there are no J.smits or bakkies bothas or even jean de villierss out there its his fault....

Thats like saying Mallet needs to win the next WC with Italy else he is a shlt coach.

Oh they're there, de Villiers just needs to ensure they make it into the team. At 18 years old, when White found Smit, I hardly think he was an obvious choice. But White's foresight has brought us probably the (second) best captain, we've ever had!

But no, Mallet doesn't have the players to draw from since Italy is primarily a football country. South Africa is known as one of the big 3 and as such there are players available for the picking. You're claiming that it's okay for de Villiers not to be able to build up a good team from the same pool that White did, I see it was him not being an all-round great coach. A good manager yes, but a great coach, no.

However, and I know someone is going to quote this out of context so I'll put it here in bold: it's not necessarily the case, yet - de Villiers still has a chance to do so!
 
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semiautomatix

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So Nick mallet needs to win the WC with italy else he is a bad coach? And what if there are not such talented players as Bakkies, Du preez, smit, De Villiers, Matfield?

Is that PdV fault? He has proven he has what it takes to take a good team and make them better.



Jip he helped...its just funny that the boks never dominated like this under him....

Is there a reason you posted twice on the same quote, or shall we just put it down to Monday?
 

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I see some people in here have decided that their new angle of attack is going to be that they are "willing to concede" that PdV is a great manager but not a great coach. Yet if someone were bored enough to go back and read through this thread you will find earlier comments that the role of a modern day coach is exactly that, to manage his resources. How much coaching do you think someone who achieves the pinnacle of rugby really needs?

In football they don't even bother calling them coaches any more but managers.
And guess what they have to say about the role of a football manager (please feel free to replace the term football manager with rugby head coach) from a Cambridge University article:

There are three broad managerial functions: interpersonal relations, information processing and decision making.

Interpersonal relations include the roles of leadership and motivation, perhaps the most important managerial attributes. The way in which the football manager treats his players can affect not only the performance of the individual player, but also the performance of the team.

In the information-processing role the manager will use match reports and videos to analyse and assess the performance of players, in order to formulate plans and strategies. It is also likely that the manager will delegate responsibility, by employing coaches and scouts, to help disseminate information.

Finally, the decision making role involves determining the organisation of the team (team formation) and the role of individual players both before and during the game (pre-match and half-time team talk and strategic substitutions). The manager's ability to respond rapidly to situations such as a player suffering a loss of form or an injury can of course make the all the difference between the team achieving success or failure.

Now doesn't that sound like just the role a head coach would play in rugby? And more specifically, by all accounts, is that not exactly the role PdV is playing so damn well? So when you guys are happily conceding that he is a great manager, I think you are unwittingly, and probably much to your disgust, admitting that he is in fact a great coach.
 

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I see some people in here have decided that their new angle of attack is going to be that they are "willing to concede" that PdV is a great manager but not a great coach.

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Give it a rest Lance ;) We all said our peace and we'll judge him when/if we think he's proven hiself to us (Me).

I said that from the onset and haven't changed my mind as yet. Pls leave some space on your face open for more egg pls :p
 
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